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u/ArcFlash9986 Avengers 7d ago
What is this from?
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u/tired20something Avengers 7d ago •
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Immortal Hulk - Great Power
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u/bespectacledbengal Avengers 7d ago
aka “technically correct” hulk
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u/Philbin27 Avengers 7d ago
The best kind of correct
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u/migzeh Avengers 7d ago
i know nothing about comics. what makes this the correct one?
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u/Tobyghisa Avengers 7d ago edited 6d ago
The character went through many iterations, the most famous being the raging green Hulk that Bruce Banner transforms into when he is angry. There are too many to list them all, there is even a Las Vegas gangster persona in there called Joe Fixit. It’s weird and awesome.
Originally tho Bruce Banner just turned into the Hulk at night and the character wasn’t a complete brute. It was a pulp retelling of Doctor Jekyll and mister Hyde. Immortal Hulk goes back to that first depiction of the Bruce/Hulk dynamic and brings it back to its horror-ish roots.
Although I disagree with the above poster, I’m guessing this is what they mean when they call it the “technically correct Hulk”
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u/DoodooMcPoopy Avengers 7d ago
He's immortal and has great power?
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u/Saint_Consumption Avengers 7d ago
If you look closely he is also green.
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u/whatsbobgonnado Avengers 7d ago
I came to express my disappointment that you couldn't get one legitimate answer to your question
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u/Long_Mechagnome Avengers 7d ago
But the text is edited, right? Or is there an arc in the comics similar to No Way Home?
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u/Homac713 Avengers 7d ago
Spider-man made a deal with the devil (Mephisto) to save his Aunt's life and to remove the memory of his secret identity to the world after Civil War in the comics. It cost him his marriage. As in that was the price Mephisto took
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u/lashapel Avengers 7d ago
Ah of course , how could I forget, one the most comics ever created
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u/Yuo_cna_Raed_Tihs Avengers 7d ago
There's a similar arc in the comics in that everybody finds out peters identity and then everybody forgets, but apart from that, it's incredibly different to NWH
That being said, no clue if this is real or not. But it could be
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u/len24 Avengers 7d ago
The less you know about One More Day the better
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u/Spengy Avengers 7d ago
Is it a controversial storyline?
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u/This_is_TinN Avengers 7d ago
a demon revived Aunt May and made the world forget Peter Parker is Spider-Man by taking away the love Peter and MJ had for each other
I think that's the best summary of it.
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u/k-farsen Avengers 7d ago
The arc in the comics was way dumber and I was shocked that it was pulled off in NWH
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u/PANTONE232C Avengers 7d ago
Wholesome. So if Moon Knight ever knew Spidey, does it mean his two identities might remember Peter?
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u/Pearse_Borty Avengers 7d ago •
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I assume the "forget Peter Parker" thing can only apply to people with a brain and memory. However, the Hulk is more of a cellular buff body thing that could commit memories to instinctive regions that circumvent the spell by virtue of not technically being a memory from the brian.
This is also why Venom was left behind in Spiderman's universe when his host was yanked back to his universe; the Venom symbiote is not human and cannot manifest memory in the traditional brain based manner.
So Hulk and Venom can remember Peter Parker because they don't have brains (or at least, don't use brains to form memories.)
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u/sonerec725 Avengers 7d ago edited 6d ago
Ok you joke but this legit feels like something a writer for hulk would pull out of their ass to explain something like this
Edit: spelling
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u/kendrahawk Avengers 7d ago
Venom didn't quite know him though, it was another venom in the hivemind that knew him and he recognized him from that but couldnt really say more than its "that guy" i know that guy
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u/Burgoonius Avengers 7d ago
Yes the Topher venom is connected to the Tom Hardy Venom through the hivemind.
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u/Xaron713 Avengers 7d ago
So all venoms in all realities share one Hivemind?
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u/kendrahawk Avengers 7d ago
Uhhh more like all symbiotes. But who knows if marvel is going to stick the actual origin story.
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u/011100010110010101 Avengers 7d ago
It's Symbiote Lore, you know its gonna get retconned line like, 2 or 3 years
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u/Rudy_Ghouliani Avengers 7d ago
It'll solidify with the symbiote king in 10 years.
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u/Alarid Avengers 7d ago
When Morbius 7 really reinvigorates the western genre.
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u/stationhollow Avengers 7d ago
I mean we have Gorr in the next Thor movie with his symbiote sword so I imagine they will work towards it eventually
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u/archangel610 Spider-Man 🕷 7d ago
Tom Hardy suddenly gets the inexplicable urge to go to church and pray that some kid named Peter Parker dies.
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u/BustinArant Avengers 7d ago
Back in my day, Venom mostly said "Spiiiideeeey", was blue, and would use his invisibility just to tackle Spider-Man and generally fuck with him lol
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u/General_Asleep Robbie Reyes 7d ago
Man there probably is a very largw number of civilians who died from symbiotes being thrown in another universe.
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u/9520575 Avengers 7d ago edited 7d ago
actual origin story
No man, all that hive mind shit is new. That suit didnt even make you stronger, nor spoke orginally. All of that that shit is a giant retcon. Venom is totally different from where he started in '88.
He would just keep escaping from the vault, and kill some random guards. He wasnt much but a cool drawing in the begining. He didn't even have pointy teeth or a long tounge then either. That shit came after McFarlane.
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u/Dookie_boy Avengers 7d ago
A collection of Venom symbiote from a few universes do share a hive mind but not necessarily all of them like the comic book Venom doesn't share it with the Sony Venom or Raimi Venom. At least it's not explicitly stated they do.
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u/KazumaSnake Avengers 7d ago
The Klintar (symbiotes) are a hive mind and that's why in a comic with Carnage and Silver Surfer, the Carnage symbiote was terrified of him despite that symbiot having never met him before. Silver Surfer was responsible for the destruction of their homeworld and something like 95% of the Klintar race.
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u/Zauberer-IMDB Avengers 7d ago
If Topher Venom were connected to the hivemind wouldn't all other Venoms just kill themselves out of shame?
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u/cenorexia Avengers 7d ago
Toho did that with Godzilla in Godzilla: Final Wars.
They brought back the Roland Emmerich 'Zilla only for the real Godzilla to dispose of him rather unceremoniously :D
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u/Anarch-ish Avengers 7d ago
I knew this... Like, instinctively... It had to be for the whole plotline to work...
But seeing someone else literally spell out that Topher Venom is actually somewhat important to the MCU feels like someone just farted on my lunch.
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u/cenorexia Avengers 7d ago edited 6d ago
It doesn't have to be Topher's Venom, he's also just one of many symbiotes in the multiverse.
Could've been any other version of Venom that relayed the info back to the hivemind and thus into Tom Hardy Venom's mind.
edit: it actually doesn't even have to be Venom, it could be any symbiote from any universe.
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u/FlatulateHealthilyOK Moon Knight 7d ago
The screen that he says "that guy" says he is Peter Parker lol
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u/kendrahawk Avengers 7d ago
Can venom read? Lol serious q. Has this been established in any scene from before?
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u/General_Asleep Robbie Reyes 7d ago
Didnt he write some stuff to Eddie at some point in the appartment in venom 2? Might be misremembering
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u/Aureo_experience Avengers 7d ago
Yeah, he also typed a location on Eddie's laptop to find the bodies of Cletus' victims
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u/General_Asleep Robbie Reyes 7d ago
Oh true when he was doing detective work. Such a brilliant little symbiote. So young yet so smart.
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u/Aureo_experience Avengers 7d ago edited 6d ago
And typed "dick" over and over on Eddie's laptop because he wouldn't buy him chocolate. I love him
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u/KrakNchedda Avengers 7d ago
Hulk's powers include in extreme levels of resistance to any psychic attacks. So, any attempt to manipulate him mentally is usually countered by his infinite rage. Different runs over the years get into it more. 90s Onslaught comes to mind off the top of my head.
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u/Critical_Paper8447 Avengers 7d ago
Except in Age of Ultron
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u/Bonesnapcall Avengers 7d ago
He was Banner when SW mindfucked him.
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u/Necromancer4276 Avengers 7d ago
So Hulk shares a mind with Banner in AoU but not in NWH?
That's arbitrary and convenient.
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u/SsooooOriginal Avengers 7d ago
Welcome to the world of comic story lines, where each author gets to do their own treatment of the characters.
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u/Your_ELA_Teacher Avengers 7d ago
Forgive my dummyness, but I figured Venom left a baby copy of himself... so in my mind, the baby copy was born in the regular MCU universe, so it didn't get taken away like the others who are not from that universe.
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u/Pehz Avengers 7d ago
I figured Venom left a piece of himself because he gained mass through consumption while in that universe. Like, if you put on a shirt from this universe then got evicted, do you keep your shirt? What if you gave birth? What if you shed hair? I didn't think about it as a memory thing, as that would probably mean all or none of Venom gets taken with.
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u/poopatroopa3 Avengers 7d ago
Isn't Hulk revealed to be some kind of entity from hell at some point?
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u/MugenEXE Avengers 7d ago
I think he was supposedly an avatar of the one below, but actually sometimes also an agent of the one above? Something wild like that.
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u/acubsaccount Avengers 7d ago
Immortal Hulk basically states that the Hulk is an avatar of gamma radiation which is half science and half magic. Gamma gets its magic from literally hell, and the presiding presence of hell is the One Below All, which is just the destructive counterpart of the One Above All. No creation without destruction, et cetera. So the Hulk is only an agent of the One Above All as much as someone might believe that death is part of God's plan.
Honestly with how Immortal Hulk ended I really don't see future writers making anything it said canon other than the One Below All and its hell dimension. It's still really good and my favorite comic run, though.
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u/Mister_Doc Avengers 7d ago
Oh did it finish? I need to catch up after I finish re-reading Invincible
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u/trhrthrthyrthyrty Avengers 7d ago
I dont think it is strictly memories from brains that were removed. Peter Parker had news coverage outing him as Spiderman. If only memories were erased, they'd be like what is all this shit in the archives?? Youtubers would've uploaded videos about it, etc.
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u/Necromancer4276 Avengers 7d ago
MJ would have nudes of some rando on her phone. Then that rando would walk into her shop one day.
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u/Dookie_boy Avengers 7d ago
Hulk has always had a sort of immunity against magic.
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u/Kharn0 Avengers 7d ago
Immortal Hulk explains this.
Basically gamma is particle, wave and part of the ‘One Below All’ aka super devil.
So thats why Hulk can do things that defy even comic book logic like punching through a time storm, holding anti-matter, killing gods and never staying dead.
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u/your_mind_aches Avengers 7d ago
No.
Moon Knight's Dissociative Identity Disorder is a mental illness brought on by childhood trauma. It isn't supernatural.
It's JUST Marc. Steven and Jake are both just different aspects of Marc caused by his childhood abuse.
The Hulk is a different being entirely, he's pretty much an extradimensional being formed by the experiment. You can't pull all that much mass from out of nowhere. As such, the rules of... everything are just completely different for him. The Hulk isn't an alter.
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u/The_dapper_squid Avengers 7d ago
This is an interesting comic because if Bruce was the Hulk would that mean burce remember and the hulk would forget
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u/RIP__ODB Avengers 7d ago
Doesn’t this only happen because Hulk is immune to magic? I think it still works on Bruce just not Hulk.
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u/krxzy_wxrlxck Avengers 7d ago
Didn't the ancient one push the soul out of him in infinity war
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u/runespider Avengers 7d ago
MCU isn't the comics.
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u/wutsizface Avengers 7d ago
Then again… he pushed Banner out of the hulk. But hulk also collapsed… but banner had combined the two so maybe he knocked the hulk out…. Or idk some other comic booky kind of shenanigans.
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u/runespider Avengers 7d ago
With that the spell seems to be pushing out the soul or "true self" of the person. For professor hulk, at his core he's still just Banner. Just like when it's used on Peter Parker he's just... Peter Parker. Use it on someone else, like say Captain America and you may get original scrawny Steve or he may just be the star spangled Captain America. Use it on Tony Stark and maybe you just get Iron Man
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u/shadollosiris Avengers 7d ago
Nah, use it on Bruce Wayne and maybe get Batman but use it on Tony Statk, you would get Tony Stark
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u/runespider Avengers 7d ago •
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Depends. In the comics a few times on the Astral, plane he's still wearing his armor. It's his perception of himself. The armor being a literal representation of how he's shut himself off from people. Before he builds the shit, his aloofness and sarcasm was his armor against getting close to people. Now he has a suit of literal, armor letting Tony be more open and unguarded around people. In that sense Iron Man is just Tony completed. Not two seperate mentalities. That's different than the Bruce Wayne is just a mask for Batman concept.
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u/krxzy_wxrlxck Avengers 7d ago
My bad
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u/runespider Avengers 7d ago
No worries. They're just seperate things.
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u/SunmanTHEONE Avengers 7d ago
Haha no it’s actually unforgivable. You can choose one digit from your hands or toes to cut off as penance.
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u/Miska_tonic Avengers 7d ago
The Hulk is oddly slippery when it comes to Mind affecting powers. Depending on writer he can be fully immune to that being the only thing that affects him. He has done it before when Sentry wipes the memory of himself from the world). I think that while the hulk may be grumpy he never forgets his friends.
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u/Dookie_boy Avengers 7d ago edited 6d ago
Wait did Hulk not forget when Sentry erased himself ? That would mess up his whole plan.
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u/Miska_tonic Avengers 7d ago edited 7d ago
Yeah in Sentry #3 2000 for some reason everyone but Hulk forgets. Dr. Strange is involved and for some reason Hulk can see him in Astral projection so maybe hes resistant to Strange's Magic.
Edit: Words and Hulk Ghost Adventures
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u/yamask888 Avengers 7d ago edited 7d ago
Hulk the character deserves better. I find hulk as a character way more interesting then banner and I love the conversations they have. Hulk being a sentient being a split personality from banner is really cool and it fits with the jeckel and hide origins
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u/SmilePlz_Exe Avengers 7d ago
I wanna be a banker
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u/That1guy4269 Avengers 7d ago
The MCU really fucked over the Hulk. Probably the best version that did it justice was the Earths Mightiest Hero's cartoon from 2010
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u/mayonnaisewastaken Avengers 7d ago
I like what Ragnarok did. Seems Hulk is gone now though, maybe he'll be back in She Hulk
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u/Sir_Mitchell15 Avengers 7d ago
Well we saw a hologram of Banner, recently un-hulked. So hopefully She Hulk will explain this and give the potential of a true Hulk return.
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u/stinkymusturd Spider-Man 🕷 7d ago
That’s nice at least hulk can’t be his friend and help Pete if he needs help
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u/Joe_Brolic Avengers 7d ago
There's a comic where Spidey is getting over MJ or Gwen's death and he hunts down a "rampaging" Hulk. Hulk as usual is minding his business when Spidey attacks and is really going all out on him. Hulk knows that Spidey is grieving and basically let's him get it all out, then offers his condolences. It's one of the shortest but coolest friendships in Marvel
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u/CaulkADewDillDue Morbius 7d ago
Hulk never forgets.
Baskin Robbins always finds out.
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u/Nineteen_AT5 Avengers 7d ago
It's great content like this that makes me feel sad for the MCU hulk.
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u/killerdude23233 Avengers 7d ago
Disney, please make this happen in the MCU, even if it's just a nod. I love this.
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u/IT_CHAMP Avengers 7d ago
would this work in the mcu?
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u/ConradBHart42 Avengers 7d ago
Sure, it's fiction, they can make it do whatever they want.
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u/tired20something Avengers 7d ago
If they say that's how it works. We have to wait for She-Hulk to catch up with what's been going on with Hulk and Banner.
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u/jpterodactyl Avengers 7d ago
I’m personally of the opinion that it won’t. Since comic hulk is largely immune to magic, which allowed for this. and MCU Hulk got his soul punched out by the ancient one, so I think magic works on him.
But that was also Professor Hulk, and so they probably have a lot of leeway.
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u/Anarkizttt Daisy Johnson 7d ago
That was Prof. Hulk and remember Hulk didn’t get pushed out, only Banner did, maybe Hulk didn’t because he’s magic resistant.
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u/LozNewman Avengers 7d ago
Canonically, Hulk regenerates everything. So I find it no surprise he shrugged off Mephisto's shenanigans. Good for him.
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u/agent_wolfe Avengers 7d ago
Wait, how does that work? If the spell includes "everyone", does that mean the Hulk is not a person ?
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u/StarWreck92 Avengers 7d ago
Maybe they’re going with him being Banner when it happened so Hulk was exempt since he “didn’t exist” at that exact moment?
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u/CorruptedAssbringer Avengers 7d ago
Wouldn't that mean anyone with a personality disorder of some kind also remember him?
Also, that would mean anything that's not alive, such as news articles, would still have info on him.
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u/Karmic_Backlash Avengers 7d ago
Technically speaking, it's less that he is an alternate personality an more that he is quite literally an entirely different existance born out of radiation and banner's damaged psyche, but because only Banner or Hulk can exist at any one time, the fact that banner was awake for it meant that hulk was not. Which means the reality altering event didn't affect him because he was not part of reality at that point.
It altered the world to make it so the world didn't know who he was. That affects everything to do with the world. Presumably all reality was altered canonically so that it didn't happen.
That's my guess as least.
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u/Deadpoolforpres Avengers 7d ago
Hulk had always had a "mystical" side to him. He can see ghosts and recently it was revealed that he is the avatar of destruction according to The One Below All.
Also, Hulk exists as a personality caused by Bruce's childhood trauma (which is why there are so many versions of Hulk). It's partially the reason that Hulk can't forget, the body is still technically Banner's post gamma metamorphosis, but the Hulk persona takes over. At least that's how I've understood it.
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u/TheG-What Avengers 7d ago
Hulk is not a person. Hulk is Hulk. Strongest there is.
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u/Taurius Avengers 7d ago
He does refer to himself as not a person. Calling everyone that is human, "puny human".
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u/TheG-What Avengers 7d ago
Hulk is Hulk. Strongest one there is. Hulk is just being of rage. Makes Hulk strong. Hulk not human because all humans tiny human. Hulk more than that Hulk is rage. Anything that has rage and hurt is Hulk. Hulk is stronger! Hulk cannot stop.
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u/noobi-wan-kenobi69 Avengers 7d ago
So why doesnt Peter just go meet with any Avenger, or a SHIELD agent, take off his mask and introduce himself?
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u/Lortendaali Avengers 7d ago
IIRC he basically got really fucked while he revealed himself to be Peter. (Like aunt May getting shot and shit) So I would assume he wants to keep it low key this time since he's idea of his loved ones getting attacked, actually happened.
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u/BlackDabiTodoroki Avengers 7d ago
Cuz that would be a bad idea, he did that somewhat in Civil War and it led to Aunt May getting shoot in her being in the hospital.
Also he had to make a deal with Mephisto to forget everyone who knows who he is.
This was a while back
Now there has been I think a few people that know who Peter Parker is Spider-Man
J Jonah Jameson MJ of Course Black cat
These are only a select few of people.
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u/unreasonablyhuman Avengers 7d ago
This just in: disembodied consciousness and AI still remember Peter Parker is Spider-Man
Jarvis just in the corner like "I thought everyone knew. Humans are strange"
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u/Effective_Tutor Avengers 7d ago
It’s a great issue. “You’re a good man Peter Parker, I’ll try to remember that the next time we meet”.
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u/the_lovely_otter Avengers 7d ago
Oh wow so the spell we saw in No Way Home is something that also happens in the comics (presumably with different circumstances but still)???
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u/Ravness13 Avengers 7d ago
I think it happens a couple times actually. Once with strange and another time with Mephisto?
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u/ZFighter2099 Avengers 7d ago edited 5d ago
its the same spell. but Mephisto agreed to make it happen through the means of Strange. its a retcon to save their own asses
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u/9520575 Avengers 7d ago
one of the worst spider man storyline ever, yes.
Peter Parker revealed his identiy to the world durning civil war. He goes to the devil to make everyone forget and save aunt may. The devil also takes his marriage to Mary Jane.
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u/VulvaSpud Avengers 7d ago
I know you said "one of" but the clone saga is definitely the worst.
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u/SlavaUkrainiGeroyam Avengers 7d ago
I dunno, at least the clone saga was fun and goofy. One More Day was just fucking depressing.
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u/jacqueslol Avengers 7d ago
IMO One More Day, as a story arc, is fine.
One More Day as the catalyst for ending the greatest era in Spider-man comics is unacceptable.
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u/Even_Educator_4562 Avengers 7d ago
Hulk is so underrated
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u/fleabomber Avengers 7d ago
Wish they could make the right movie.
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u/x2040 Avengers 7d ago
World War Hulk is rumored!
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u/Lortendaali Avengers 7d ago
I need sources. If you are deceiving me, I will hunt you to the end of the earth mate.
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u/Adeum1 Avengers 7d ago
Did MCU Bruce ever even meet Peter?