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Young black police graduate gets profiled by Joshua PD cops (Texas). He wasn't having any of it!
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u/Independent-Canary95 12d ago
That was so impressive, yet so damn sad that this is still happening.
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u/holdmysugar 12d ago
Welcome to the South. Not much has changed. It drives me nuts when I hear jackasses like Tucker Carlson or Ben Shapiro acting like institutional racism doesn't exist, when I live down here and see it all the time. I know so many racist people it's disgusting. For the record, I'm a white male. Pretty sure that's why they think it's ok to say racist shit around me all the time.
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u/DriftinFool 12d ago
For the record, I'm a white male. Pretty sure that's why they think it's ok to say racist shit around me all the time.
This pisses me off so much when people do that to me. Just cus I look like you does not mean I think like you. I have some family like this. I've had multiple arguments with them over the years about the ignorant shit they spew, and they will just never get it.
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u/DogeVegasSupreme 12d ago
I worked as a field rep and met 1000+ households. You would be amazed at the number of people who use the N-word within 5 minutes of meeting me for the first time. I
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u/willworkforicecream 12d ago
When I was younger I didn't really realize that overt racism was an ongoing problem and then I moved to the south and I was like "Oh, not only do you think like that, but you also feel comfortable exposing yourself as a racist to me, a total stranger, and just assume that I will be sympathetic?"
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u/ramblinsam 12d ago •
As a Southerner who now lives out West, I’m sorry to say it’s not just the South.
“America is Mississippi. There’s no such thing as a Mason-Dixon line. It’s America. There’s no such thing as the South. It’s America.” - Malcolm X
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u/warriors94602 12d ago edited 12d ago
I’ve lived in the south and the bay area and there’s no comparison. Then again the west could mean any number of places where you’re right, it ain’t that different.
Seems to be more of a rural America thing. Cuz you venture from the Bay Area out to rural Central Valley and people get pretty open with their hatred or blame game bullshit.
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u/AMSAtl 12d ago
I had a contractor on the phone last weekend trying to make jokes about people taking off for Juneteenth, "a fake holiday based on a fake word", as if I must agree as a white man. And this was our 2nd conversation as I met him earlier that week.
Not that I haven't interacted with people much more overtly racist. This was just the most recent experience I've had of this.
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u/allmushroomsaremagic 12d ago
Yep. Fellow white dude leans in and calls me brother with a hard "r" and I know something racist is coming.
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u/feelinlucky7 12d ago
I fucking hate it. Don’t drag me into your backwards bullshit just because we share a skin color. I’m further north, but that has happened to me.
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u/HypeWritter 12d ago
Sorry to break it to you but it's not just the south. The rest of the country has been riding on the stereotype that the south has cornered the market on racism and engaging in the same type of mess without scrutiny.
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u/Pocketfists 12d ago
Tons of racism in rural northeast…..which is quite obvious to anyone from there
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u/ACCCrabtown1 12d ago
Tucker Carlson is a pussy being driven everywhere. He comes from a long line of documented bigoted hate mongers.
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u/kellysmom01 12d ago
Ayup. I’m old as dirt and remember his pompous blowhard of a father, Roger Carlson, from whose withered, wrinkly testes Tucker sprang in all his malignancy. I mean … what kind of weenie names his spawn TUCKER?! Pfffft.
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u/bestdayever321 12d ago
Oh there’s definitely racism still around, but it’s not exclusive to the south. I visited Boston and couldn’t believe how much racist shit I heard from total strangers. And I’m originally from Alabama
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u/Genghiz007 12d ago
Found more folks who were “sensitive” to color in Boston than in Alabama. I lived in both places for a couple of years apiece.
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u/beardedbast3rd 12d ago
It’s everywhere. Even up here in Canada.
I’m white, bald, magnificently bearded.
Unfortunately That fits the knuckle dragged demographic, and these fucks say all kinds of shit around or to me that is just disgusting.
It’s getting better as younger guys get into the work force, but it’s still extremely prominent
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u/HalPaneo 12d ago
I lived in CT, I'm white with a Hispanic wife and a Jamaican brother in law. My neighbor would walk over our house and spew the most hateful racist shit IN FRONT OF my wife and brother in law and since they never said anything to him he thought it was ok. I put a stop to that real quick after I realized it was being said not just to me. He liked to touch in something and read the reaction and then he'd keep going if he thought they weren't offended.
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u/SkullyKat 12d ago edited 12d ago
Absolutely. I've experienced it. Some white people think that every other white person they meet is as horrible as themselves.
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u/dexmonic 12d ago
My wife does nails for a living and today, someone who isn't even her client leaned over to her while she was working and said "it's America, she should speak English" about my one of my wife's client who was speaking her native Indian dialect to her husband. The Indian lady owns several Indian restaurants in the area, including the one next to my wife's salon. She was just waiting for her appointment and took a call from her husband like many people do, yet had to get this snide comment.
My wife has more tact than me and explained to her how hard it is just to be fluent in another language, but also that sometimes you just want the comfort of talking in your native tongue, so why judge her? My wife thinks she might have had some impact in changing that lady's mind. Guess you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. But damn, just because someone is white doesn't mean they want to hear your racist shit.
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u/Galienuus 12d ago
It’s not even institutionalized, there’s just straight up regular racism. I’m white but my gf is Latina and anytime I’m around nothing happens but at school when I’m not around she’ll get terrible comments about being in a interracial relationship. And what makes it worse is that it’s not just white people who do it. Yes most of the time she’s getting chewed out for daring to have a loving relationship with someone with a slightly different skin pigment, but then she also gets comments from her family for not keeping the gene pool pure or some shit because they want Hispanic babies. Like bruh we’re nowhere near having kids.
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u/EwwThatsHot 12d ago
I find it sad because this graduate won the fight but his people who aren't as articulate and without the same law education get walked over all the time.
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Man Texas cops are shit at their jobs
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u/fucktommylee 12d ago
They really are. I’m pretty pro police but man the cops in my area (Denton County,TX) are by far the worst cops I’ve ever dealt with.
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u/crazyfluteteacher 12d ago
Wall Texas has entered the chat. I once got pulled over going two over in mildly cold weather and had my husband yelled at about knowing what black ice was. We both grew up and learned how to drive up north, not that we would have shared that information, and it was well above freezing and had been for weeks prior. I wanted to reply of course I do officer, do you?
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u/jumbohiggins 12d ago edited 12d ago
Northerner living in Texas. In his defense any inclement weather down here turns roads into junk yards. People do not know how to drive in anything other that sunshine.
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Edit: wow I thought it was sarcastic enough but I guess not. Not agreeing with the cop just making a joke about Texans not being able to drive.
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u/massivecalvesbro 12d ago
Why are you pro police if you’ve had such negative experience(s)?
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u/unopposablethumbs 12d ago
Go to North Richland Hills, hurst or even grapevine. Bunch of profiling ignorant fucks trying to make money for the city and that’s it
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u/mustangwallflower 12d ago
I love how he kept his cool, yet remained confident, firm, and assertive. Shows he knows his stuff and how to deal with these idiots.
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u/No_Web_9121 12d ago •
This is the police officer that the community needs
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u/Throwmeaway0409 12d ago
There needs to be an influx of guys like this to combat all the bad cops and hopefully push them out.
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u/MarcLloydz 12d ago •
Unfortunately the same bad cops are the leadership of the department and won't let the good ones get any recognition enough to join higher ranks. The cycle is gonna keep continuing until someone from the federal level comes in and gets rid of all the corrupted, bad actors in the department.
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u/eldnikk 12d ago
gets rid of all the corrupted, bad actors in the department
That's probably close to the entire department
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u/Totally__Not__NSA 12d ago
Technically peace officer but agreed.
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u/Callinon 12d ago
What's the difference? Because there seemed to be a lot of hay made about the distinction there. I've always heard the two terms interchangeably.
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u/linkederic 12d ago
If I understand correctly he’s graduated from whatever Peace Officer certification training/academy he had to undergo, so he could be hired on as a police officer, sheriffs deputy, fish & wildlife warden, etc etc. but since he isn’t working as a police officer he isn’t one
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u/qervem 12d ago
Basically same training as a police officer, but not employed by a law enforcement office?
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u/Boobsiclese 12d ago
He kept his cool for about four minutes. Then it hit a level that I became concerned they were gonna lash back.
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u/bkendig 12d ago
Agreed. It reached a point where he was goading the officers. However much he had a right to, I'm surprised they didn't decide to make life more difficult for him.
I don't understand the bit about him wearing a uniform. He graduated from the police academy, and now he's allowed to wear it? Is he employed as a police officer?
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u/noopenusernames 12d ago •
If we have freedom of speech and these officers can and will talk to us like that, why have we, as a society, made it ok that we can’t talk to them like that without expecting punishment. If a judge is impartial and makes decisions based on the law and facts only, why souls they be allowed to add charges onto a sentence just because “you made them feel annoyed in court”? It’s bullshit, and the reason people like them powertrip is because culturally, we put these people on a pedestal and that idea that they’re above everyone sinks in deep. America needs to stop with cop/soldier worship if it wants to fix these power abuses. It creates the kind of environment where those in positions of authority forget where they stand, and those that seek authority for the opportunities to abuse it will continue to apply to police academies.
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u/TheMarsian 12d ago
tbh it's not worship. it's the same thing with wild animals, I don't worship them but I know animals will be animals and if I provoke them I should not be surprised that they attack. that simple.
it's knowing that you're dealing with stupid barely educated and trained armed officers of the law. sure they're not supposed to hurt me physically because I offend them but I know that won't stop them.
I applaud this guy but he was pushing it and risking too much right at the end. Me, I'd take my win and drive away. It's not worth it, all his efforts in the academy, his life etc ending up as another victim in the statistics over a stop that he avoided and won anyway.
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u/BangBangMeatMachine 12d ago
They seem to be arguing over whether he's a police officer or not. He says he's got certification and that he's wearing an academy uniform and the Captain seems concerned that he's not a sworn officer but is kind-of implying that he is. The POV guy never actually indicates he's part of a LE agency so it's unclear what is really going on there.
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u/Greellx 12d ago
IMO, he’s trying to bait him into saying he’s a police officer so they can detain him on falsely claiming to be a police officer which is a crime. They’re just fat white rednecks trying to bully a black man who’s clearly got more brains than the 3 of them combined.
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u/torrasque666 12d ago
The kid at least seemed to be aware of the fact that it was a bad situation for them, but as a trainee/newbie lacked any authority to do anything.
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u/Slade_Riprock 12d ago edited 11d ago
Guesstimate is he graduated and got his certification but doesn't work for a PD. Instead likely works private security of some type while wearing a uniform.
A person who knows the letter of the law and walks that line knowing exactly what he can and cannot do. Those gray areas where the average cops don't know shit. Most people have the wildly incorrect belief cops know the law. Bullshit they know basics like speeding, assault, etc. Nuances and gray areas are where they are fucking clueless. It's why so many people get cuffed up for disorderly or disturbing the peace or obstructing. Because it's the catch alls they use to ring up people that piss them off or hurt their authoritarian feelings.
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u/Talking_Head 12d ago edited 12d ago •
This should be a training video for a de-escalation class. There were several opportunities for all involved to take it down a notch. It should have been a simple reminder to get his plate swapped out with the new one with a wheelchair on it or get a hang tag. A 15 second polite conversation and then everyone moves along and gets home for dinner and a cold beer.
Instead, it became four openly armed, sweaty law enforcement officers arguing and wagging fingers in public about a bullshit parking ticket. No one was 100% right and yet no one seemed willing to just disengage from the conflict and part ways.
Black dude was racially profiled and harassed no doubt. No excuse for that. But he is also a trained LEO and should have also been trained on how to de-escalate.
No one “wins” here. And that is why I think the whole curriculum of police training and continuing education should be rethought. They all have had 10X more time spent on the firing range than they have had in de-escalation training.
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
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u/Pabl0Esc0bar 12d ago edited 11d ago •
The public is under no obligation to de-escalate. They are the public. The duty is on the police to keep the peace. This includes more than just maintaining order amongst citizens. It also means they are morally and ethically the accountable party. They initiated action. Incorrectly.
Saying that the black dude should have been nicer is so fucking unreal. People should not be required to be polite to expect equal treatment under the law.
"He should know better and should de-escalate" "He shouldn't have mouthed off to that cop" "He should have just answered the guys questions" "She shouldnt have been wearing an outfit like that" "He knew that was the bad side of town"
What the fuck is with the rampant victim blaming that just permeates any discussion where "both sides" get brought up.
"Both" sides are not equal in nearly every case.
EDIT: I just want to point out the fact that these cops had multiple off-ramps to this encounter. They could have disengaged, maybe even eeked out a tiny little apology and gone about their day, but they would not make any concessions and what's worse, they continued to move the goal posts.
This is why this is so uncomfortable and scary to watch. We should never fucking give authority to people who are unable to accept they are just as susceptible to bias and logical fallacies as any other person.
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u/-PrecYse- 12d ago
Actually worthy of a gold award, dont know what the fuck that other guy was talking about smh
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u/insanemal 12d ago
He doesnt require new plates. His were fine. Nor does he have to hang a tag. That's what his plates allow him to do.
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u/ReadinII 12d ago
He wasn’t keeping his cool. He was super pissed and rightly so. He was pretty brave though.
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u/hotasanicecube 12d ago edited 12d ago
Public service message: Not all states require “probable cause” to be required to provide ID. Many states require you to provide ID if requested by a law enforcement officer. So don’t try this at home unless you are familiar with your state law or risk catching a felony.
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u/camaron_dormido 12d ago
That is also a skill built from experience a lifetime of racist bullshit. Black people can't afford to not keep cool in the face of unfair treatment because any minor (reasonable) anger towards white people is treated like a bomb threat.
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u/this-some-shit 12d ago
I fucking love seeing morons get their shit pushed in.
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u/DelivererDave 12d ago
So often in college I would watch my roommate get stopped for no reason and searched and frisked on the side of the road on the way to campus. He was never given a reason. It never happened to me. He was black…I was not.
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u/KNOCKknockLAHEY_420 12d ago
"I was not"
Does this mean you are now??
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u/Daniiiiii 12d ago
See what happens when you go to these liberul colleges. They're turning kids gay and black!!!
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u/bigFatBigfoot 12d ago
And they didn't have any black officers because they turn them white
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u/Needspoons 12d ago
My (white)mom and (black)dad dated in Los Angeles in the late 60s/early 70s. At least once that my mom told me about, they were pulled over by the cops for literally doing nothing wrong. He was taken out of the car, and she was asked, “Ma’am, are you alright?” Is this man holding you against your will?”
Because, you see, there was no other reason for a good, young, white girl like her to be alone in a car with a black man. (Perish the thought!) Yeah. Mom had a few choice words about that.
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u/Euphoric_Expert9607 12d ago
Damn, they’re really not helping police officers improve their reputations
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You can’t park in a handicapped spot with DV plates without the ISA. Sadly the cops were in the right
https://www.txdmv.gov/sites/default/files/body-files/SB792_DV-Plates-Parking.pdf
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u/mellamojay 12d ago
But that shows the even bigger problem... They don't even know the laws well enough to fight back against someone who is wrong. Basically if you can spout a bunch of BS you can get away with breaking the law because of how inept these police are.
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u/WILD__CARD 12d ago
It’s weird because it’s like most people in public service forget that being nice can make such a difference when talking to people. There’s no need to be assertive over parking job.
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u/DjTrololo 12d ago •
Except it doesn't work when the reason they pull you over is your skin color. They wanna fuck you over and they are gonna find a reason to do it.
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u/SashaAndTheCity 12d ago
They literally could’ve said, you used to be able to but not as of this year. Just want to make you aware so you can get the appropriate placard or be sure to park in regular parking spots.
I don’t think there’d be any problems if they’d acted in that way.
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u/MrTitoLibowitz 12d ago
Because the piggies were wrong!!! Two KEY phrases in the policy:
As of January 1, 2022, you may apply for a disabled parking placard and/or disabled veteran license plate at the office of your local county tax assessor-collector:
Currently issued disabled parking placards will remain valid; however, the new requirements must be met at time of renewal.
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u/yourwitchergeralt 12d ago
That makes this guy actually seem like an ass if he was confidently wrong and refusing to comply.
Damn. I supported him till I learned those facts.
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u/CommerThanYouAre 12d ago
no where in that article linked by shakakaka3000 does it say when they need to get the ISA portion as the rule just went into effect in Jan of this year. It also says you can only apply for said ISA on Jan 1st of this year. Nothing shows that they are enforcing the ISA yet as people are still in the transitionary process of getting them
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u/red_alert24 12d ago
Yea they were, smh, it actually recently just changed, I have a dv plate too.
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u/MrTitoLibowitz 12d ago •
Read the law!!! Two KEY phrases in the policy:
As of January 1, 2022, you may apply for a disabled parking placard and/or disabled veteran license plate at the office of your local county tax assessor-collector:
Currently issued disabled parking placards will remain valid; however, the new requirements must be met at time of renewal.
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too late, the guy saying the cops were right now has awards and updoots and your comment will never catch up or overtake it. Redditors just upvoting what they want to hear.
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Yeah, I wasn’t sure what the TX policy was previously but in my state my roommate who has DV plates, is 80% disabled, and walks with a cane is not eligible for handicapped spots
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u/philthydub 12d ago
But it says you can get an updated DV plate that includes the ISA. So you don’t have to have the placard
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u/MrTitoLibowitz 12d ago •
Sadly you did not read the fucking policy!
Two KEY phrases in the policy:
As of January 1, 2022, you may apply for a disabled parking placard and/or disabled veteran license plate at the office of your local county tax assessor-collector:
Currently issued disabled parking placards will remain valid; however, the new requirements must be met at time of renewal.
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u/KaiOli1970 12d ago
What is the date of this video? What you uploaded is dated Jan 2022.
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That captain had to go home and beat his wife twice that night just to come down from the frustration he carried with himself all day
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u/JonDoeJoe 12d ago
Feels bad for the subordinate under him. He’ll probably get chewed out since OP? told the captain the guy knew more than him
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u/savnac-Jerm 12d ago
When I was growing up in this town(93-00), there were literally two black kids in my grade. Most unsurprising thing I've watched in years.
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u/HSchicken 12d ago
grew up the next town over, it was the same there and largely still is throughout Johnson County
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u/Ishihado 12d ago
This guy is my new spirit animal. He is awesome.
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u/50cal1988 12d ago
He is. Gives me Denzel Washington, Training Day vibes.
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u/DrunkCanadianGuy 12d ago
Wasn't Denzel the bad guy? Lol he set his new partner up to die
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u/BeardedAsian 12d ago
Absolutely terrible reference for this situation, could’ve just left it at Denzel 🤣
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u/Sss00099 12d ago
Denzel was horrifically corrupt and homicidal in that movie.
Great comparison.
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u/maiky_255 12d ago
Anyone knows what happened to these officers?
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u/Army0fMe 12d ago
Same thing that always happens to fat white cops who harass black folk for no reason: not a fucking thing.
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u/NinjaBuddha13 12d ago
Extra PTO days.
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u/Cydoniakk 12d ago •
"We have investigated ourselves and found out we have done nothing wrong. Also, we discovered in our investigation that we all have ginormous penises and can't keep the ladies away."
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u/mellamoseth 12d ago
This happened a couple weeks ago. The captain in the video was going to be put on administrative leave but resigned before an investigation into his behavior could be conducted (pretty telling). Evidently much of the rest of the department is glad he’s gone. And the man being profiled in the video was actually in his 50s, ftr.
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u/LaurentiusOlsenius 12d ago
Nothing.
I’ll admit that’s a guess, but I would be very (pleasantly) surprised if I’m wrong.
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u/Dan300up 12d ago
This guy is awesome…and he sounds like Denzel.
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u/thiccjedi 12d ago
Man, don't get too close to that line. I feel like I'm watching someone balance a tight rope.
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u/AgreeablePerformer3 12d ago
OP, if you are the person in video- I’m sorry that this crap still happens. Is it 1922 or 2022? Fellow Texan POC that carefully chooses which town to fill up gas in to avoid these confrontations.
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u/TriangleChoked 12d ago
Actually have to have a state placard. I'm a disabled veteran and can't park in handicap spots.
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u/J0HNC0L3 12d ago
This is correct in Texas. Just got my DV plates and made sure to understand this point. Not that I would have used the spot anyway. I’m able bodied. That spot isn’t for me.
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u/MrTitoLibowitz 12d ago •
Except you did not read it. Two KEY phrases in the policy:
As of January 1, 2022, you may apply for a disabled parking placard and/or disabled veteran license plate at the office of your local county tax assessor-collector:
Currently issued disabled parking placards will remain valid; however, the new requirements must be met at time of renewal.
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u/Leroy_MF_Jenkins 12d ago
Those are straight fucking pigs, fuck them.
This was awesome, dude kept his cool and clowned these assholes with calm, intelligent mockery throughout.
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u/Double-Feed-6294 12d ago
Beautifully handled!! Those fuckin' turds couldn't catch a doughnut rolling down the street...
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u/der_innkeeper 12d ago
Ho. Lee. Fuck.
Harassing someone for parking in a handicap spot with DV plates, and their excuse was "the law just changed."..?
Bull shit, and they know it.
Time for some civil suit action, under color of law.
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u/a_one_time 12d ago
Texan with DV plates here...
The law did just change in the last few months and you now need a placard to park in a handicap space
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u/thinkspacer 12d ago edited 12d ago
Is that reason to gang up on someone who is in uniform, demand id, threaten detainment, and get into an argument?
Instead of, y'know, just ticketing the car? Like every other town?
Edit: and they didn't even issue a ticket, lol. If it was an infraction, they should've just written a ticket and not get in a shouting match or let him get away just cuz he was a cop. If it wasn't an infraction they should've kept their fat mouths to themselves. Lmao.
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u/SevenGlass 12d ago •
Basically this video is a bunch of cops having an argument, and the on duty cops letting the off duty cop go despite the fact that he was actually breaking the law, simply because they checked and he is a cop.
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u/kokoyumyum 12d ago edited 12d ago
September of 21, DAV now need ADA placard additionally in Texas.
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They can, after they qualify for the state placard, get a new, since Jan 22, 2022, Texas DAV license plate, that can have an ISD symbol on it.(the wheelchair symbol).
Just a PSA, material on this video is out of date by 6 months.
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u/Talking_Head 12d ago edited 12d ago
It does. And the law is pretty clear on that. Cam guy was wrong on the law as it relates to this simple parking infraction.
That said, if ever there was a situation where a friendly reminder was more appropriate then I haven’t seen it. It just escalated and escalated until it was a bunch of armed men (all trained in law enforcement) wagging fingers at each other and yelling.
A PERFECT example of why de-escalation training is SO important. The senior officer should have cleared out the other guys, explained the law, apologized for the inconvenience, thanked him for his service and walked away.
Fat, young cop seemed somewhat level headed though. He straight up called out his Sarge and Captain about the history of their department and their corruption. I wish the video didn’t edit that part out.
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u/Skiptomylolz 12d ago
Wow. Next level for staying calm with tweedle dee and well, you know
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u/wangmanemane 12d ago
“I’m on the same side as you!” “No you aren’t!”
Really shows where their mindset is. Absolutely ridiculous. Good for this man standing his ground. Know your rights people. Don’t let bullies get you wrapped up
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u/th3ramr0d 12d ago
I like it when people can stand up for themselves like this. I would become a nervous wreck standing up for myself. Good on him for not backing down and making a big ass scene of the injustice.
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u/jaistheinventor 12d ago edited 12d ago
Class of 2022. School of Mk. Ultra!!! Like the alumnus, I too have completed my thesis and project. This time, legal.
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u/Thesujman 12d ago
Obviously intelligence isn’t a key requirement to become a Texas police officer
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That’s not true at all. Only DV with ISA can park in handicapped spots
https://www.txdmv.gov/sites/default/files/body-files/SB792_DV-Plates-Parking.pdf
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u/Environmental_Fail86 12d ago
Really new law though, reading your link info. This video May predate that? Sounds like they don’t know shit about it or would have mentioned it.
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u/Bufstevo 12d ago
This guy handled him self very well. The police officer on the other hand did not. I am glad he was able to get his point across without getting detained or worse. (sad reality of our country).
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u/Lanky-Highlight9508 12d ago
you are a fantastic human, that is all.
(to the young black graduate)
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u/Heady_Goodness 12d ago
Did he just create enough of a scene that he got out of a legit ticket for not having the handicap symbol in his DV plate and parking in a handicap spot?? Haha
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u/red_alert24 12d ago
If they racially profiled him, that's fucked up, but as far as the dv plate goes, the Texas law DID change Jan. 1st of this year..... I too have a dv plate without place card, you can't park in that spot without one now....
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u/fleeyevegans 12d ago
I watched the entire thing and I loved every second. Unbelievable that the captain doesn't know basic laws. Joshua PD should have an internal investigation to make sure their people are competent.
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u/Dixon_Uranus_ 12d ago •
Good for him! Stick it to those rednecks