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Zelensky awarded U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi with the Order of Princess Olga for a “significant personal contribution" to strengthening Ukrainian-American cooperation and "supporting sovereign, independent and democratic Ukraine.” News

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u/CapitalString May 01 '22

Olga was a regent of Kyivan Rus' for her son Sviatoslav from 945 until 960.

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u/khryslo Ukraine May 01 '22

I highly recommend everyone to look up her story. She was such a badass. The way she avenged her husband’s death!

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u/bravestar3030 May 01 '22

that the one who faked getting married and had all the guys from the town that killed her husband murdered?

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u/Lvtxyz May 01 '22

Yes

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u/TooModest May 01 '22

Sounds like it would be a good movie

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u/mojobox May 01 '22

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u/TheWayNorth May 01 '22

Knew it before I clicked. Appropriate.

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u/my-ka May 01 '22

yeah, it called vikings

in particular,

eastern viking empire

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u/Dragoran21 May 01 '22 edited May 01 '22

And razed their city to ground with pigeons.

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u/Zookeeper_Sion May 01 '22

So that's why Russia is scared shitless of birds carrying bioweapons, now I get it.

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u/dubbleplusgood May 01 '22

Razed.

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u/Sinthe741 May 01 '22

The city was actually underground.

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u/TheRealVillain666 May 01 '22

Imagine Dragons

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u/_skylark May 01 '22

Yep, the original Queen Cersei.

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u/balleballe111111 Anti Appeasement - Planes for Ukraine! May 01 '22

More Like Lady Stark and the Red Wedding.

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u/Malin_Keshar May 01 '22

Poor comparison if you mean Cersei from "Song of Ice and Fire", since that Cersei is neither wise nor a competent administrator, which Olga was.

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u/_skylark May 01 '22

I’ve just read that Martin took a lot of inspiration from Eastern European and Ukrainian medieval history in particular, including Lady Olga, so that’s where the comparison comes from.

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u/Philbertthefishy May 01 '22

Lady Olga is Cersei, but competent.

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u/idylle2091 May 01 '22

I figured she was the Inspo for Daenerys (the burning people part)

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u/EquanimityVibe May 01 '22 Wholesome

Just read the Wiki article. What a story. Wow, she was pissed.

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u/Interlined May 01 '22

I just watched The Northman, and fuck, I would love to see her story told with similar proficiency.

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u/Wereking2 May 01 '22

I read her story holy crap she is indeed badass. I guess it's true what they say the worst thing to suffer is a women's scorn.

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u/gusbemacbe1989 May 01 '22

Yesterday I was reading about Ukraine's national symbols and was curious about Sviatoslav, as a national founder and patron. I also read his brothers' history – Oleg and Yaropolk. I understood Ukrainian coat of arms derived from Sviatoslav's seal and also from a falcon found somewhere in Ukraine in that era. I find it very well-designed and creative.

Last week, I also was too curious about the extinct Baltic-Slavic language and the extinct Ruthenian language. I also read about borshch and syrnyky.

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u/oleh_imd May 01 '22

Ukrainian coat of arms derived from Volodymyr the Great's seal. But others had similar crests: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Ruriks_crests1.png

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u/gusbemacbe1989 May 01 '22

Interesting historic of crests. I saw the Ukrainian was very well-preserved and kept its originality for the current coat of arms.

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u/kinss May 01 '22

Everyone has that one uncle Izyaslav

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u/snacktonomy May 01 '22

Syrnyky are tasty with sour cream and honey or syrup. Maple syrup, if you're in the US. Also, zrazy are delicious - the Ukrainian potato version.

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u/gusbemacbe1989 May 01 '22

I am in Brazil, but we do have maple syrup. In Brazil, we have all ingredients of the syrnyky. You can see a Brazilian chef de cuisine teaching how to cook a Ukrainian syrnyky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMH5S_ee8aU

Only one ingredient we don't have from zrazy in Brazil is mushrooms, although Brazil had a very bigger Polish immigration. We do not have kasha.

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u/Valkyrie_yeet May 01 '22

Aaaahhh I grew up on borscht and syrnyky.

I hope you get the opportunity to taste some authentic syrnyky. In addition to honey, we like to pair it with sour cream or yogurt.

As bad as this sounds - if this conflict has produced anything good, its the curiosity and attention to Slavic culture. The only time I've seen it in mainstream media was as a stereotype to be made fun of.

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u/The_Elder_Jock May 01 '22 edited May 01 '22

I keep hearing that she's not popular but she at least looks genuinely touched here.

Zelensky just look as nails as always.

EDIT: just a wee note for our international friends; nails = hard = strong!

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u/ErdenGeboren May 01 '22

In the US it's 'tough as nails' it definitely translates!

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u/Captainwelfare2 May 01 '22

You’d look “nails as always” too if you had to carry around the world’s heaviest pair of Ukranium testicles 24/7. Poor guy’s back, lol.

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u/why_because_ May 01 '22

Yes she’s representing the US and receives the award on behalf of the country but also I’m sure Zelenskyy knows she led the impeachment of Trump for trying to extort Zelenskyy, withholding weapons for Ukraine, asking for dirt on Biden. Plus she stood up to Trump, literally, about his many terrible decisions that benefited Russian and about Putin’s influence on him.

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u/DaisyKitty May 01 '22

That photo is where she stood up to Trump and said 'With you, all roads lead to Putin'. Such a bad ass.

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u/Low_Plane_6954 May 01 '22

Nancy Pelosi is one of the most effective Speakers of the House in my lifetime. Love her or hate her (and I am a fan) she is a brilliant legislator.

Though not given much credit, when she has the Speaker's Gavel, Congress actually gets stuff done. She can unite her fractious Democratic Caucus and get Bills up to the President's desk. Just last year, she got Biden's massive $1 Trillion infrastructure bill though a Congress with a razor-thin majority. She got Obama's hugely complex Affordable Care Act through Congress in 2010. She is smart and tough.

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u/EagleCatchingFish USA May 02 '22

Michael Steele said that when he was chairman of the GOP, Pelosi was their top target because of how effective she was at organizing and getting things done in the Democratic party. There was another name he mentioned, but I can't remember. It wasn't Harry Reid, though.

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u/the_colorful_lights May 02 '22

When she no longer holds power, she will be remembered as one of the greatest political figures in American history. Even though people are obsessed with presidents, which is super unhealthy, the House of Representatives is the most important institution of American democracy.

She was the first female speaker of the people’s branch, and she presided over the House during a very tumultuous time. She has also had an effective tenure where among other things she passed the Affordable Care Act, which was the first major step toward universal healthcare. This is something Democrats have been trying to do since Harry Truman, and every Democratic lead government has made small strides, but the ACA was major step.

Republicans can’t let go of an inch of ground to Democrats because the only thing holding their coalition together is hatred. For the left, praising a center-left politician for anything is tantamount to surrender.

For the rest of us, to appreciate Nancy Pelosi for her successes would also be a failure of a sort. We live in a very cynical society where people conflate disillusionment with wisdom. Our society struggles greatly to entertain nuance or express sincerity. Our most favored mode of communication is snark. With this kind of culture, we cannot appreciate public officials because we can’t appreciate anyone. It seems we have all developed this intense fear of being wrong or disappointed because then we may look gullible or foolish when we are occasionally let down. We defend against our fear by never having ideas that need to be defended, having hope that something will work out, or caring too much about anything.

It sucks because it means the only people who can muster enthusiasm are extreme partisans, especially on the political extremes. Effective political officials who do the boring work of governance get all the shit from the far-left and far-right, but can no longer rely on their own base for support. And we wonder how we got here. Nancy Pelosi won’t be fully appreciated until she is no longer a threat to conservatives, and no longer a politician on whom we rely.

We did the same thing to Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. They are both incredibly popular when they don’t have power.

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u/Low_Plane_6954 May 02 '22

This ...100%. She is the Rainmaker. And Zelenskyy knows this.

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u/yokingato May 01 '22

She's unpopular among a large part of her party too.

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u/1llin10t May 01 '22

Not really.

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u/yokingato May 01 '22

Yes really. Ask Bernie, AOC followers. And those aren't the only ones.

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u/minsk_trust May 01 '22

I’m a Bernie guy. I don’t sit around thinking about her at all. She does things I like. Things I don’t like. At least she isn’t a right wing nut job.

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u/yokingato May 01 '22

At least she isn’t a right wing nut job.

That's the problem, that those are the standards of one doing a great job or not.

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u/Low_Plane_6954 May 01 '22

The American Humorist, Will Rodgers said: "I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat."

The Democratic Party is a broad political coalition. On the right we have centrist fiscal conservatives driven out of the cult of personality that is the current GOP. On the left we have the social democrats. The diverse caucuses debate, butt heads, then compromise to get stuff done in spite of the differences. That's good politics.

BTW: Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat. He's an Independent.

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u/the-bongfather May 01 '22

BTW: Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat. He's an Independent.

I mean, that's not really true either. He runs as a Democrat anytime it suits him better.

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u/Valentine009 May 01 '22 edited May 01 '22

That's not a large part of her party just a vocal part, and Bernie technically isn't even part of the party.

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u/DavidlikesPeace May 01 '22 edited May 02 '22

Wow. I understand this is a pile on and rightfully pro Pelosi thread, but I'll never understand blanket denialism

Pretending the Sanders & Warren wing, who won 40% of the primaries, or AOC who has major youth support, aren't a "large part" of the modern Democratic Party is just asinine & ignorance.

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u/Valentine009 May 01 '22

I would be surprised if a majority of Warren supports are haters of Nancy Pelosi.

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u/PieQueenIfYouPls May 02 '22

Well, I worked on Warren’s campaign here in San Francisco and almost all of us were voting Pelosi. I don’t agree with her 100% of the time but I respect the hell out of her.

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u/yokingato May 01 '22

I guess the guy that only lost the nomination to the president and one of the most popular house members aren't "large."

Bernie is always a Democrat when it's election time and most of his voters are too. What he calls himself outside if that doesn't matter much. I'd argue most people don't even know he's an independent.

Edit: I had to wait 10 minutes to send this reply. God forbid you engage in real discussion here.

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u/New-Replacement7299 May 01 '22

You think the progressive faction is larger than it is because of internet echo chambers. Bernie got stomped in Iowa in 2020.

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u/yokingato May 01 '22

Bernie and Warren got 12.5 million of the votes in the last election (around 34% of the total vote.) If that's not "large" then idk what is.

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u/slackiinoff May 01 '22

Warren is a mainstream Democrat, I don't understand why you are lumping them together except to be disingenuous.

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u/According_Surround_7 May 01 '22

In a nation of 330 million where half the population is on the other side of the aisle and presumably opposed to them completely. So they won 34% of the vote of the half the population that agrees generally with them and then only those who bothered to participate which is nowhere close to the majority.

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u/coranos2 May 01 '22

Just fyi, a 10 minute wait means the mods probably flagged you, so you might be getting a ban if you continue. May want to just move on.

That’s how I got banned from tankie subs for praising Ayn Rand for making a good train fantasy book.

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u/yokingato May 01 '22

Damn thanks for the heads up. I always thought it had something to do with being downvoted a lot on a certain subreddit, but I'm not sure. Thank you.

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u/FFuLiL8WKmknvDFQbw NATO May 01 '22

one of the most popular house members aren't "large."

I adored AOC at first, but every time I saw her attacking another politician it was a Democrat and not a Republican. It's not helpful. If she wants to make the Democratic party more liberal, she should work to get more liberal Democrats elected.

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u/eolson3 May 01 '22

Yeah, but slams on Twitter are easier than legislating!

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u/chaoticneutral May 01 '22

Usually winning a nomination is a direct indication of your popularity in the party. Bernie lost it pretty widely, I mean he did better than Andrew Yang, but that isn't saying much.

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u/yokingato May 01 '22

It's not all or nothing. Bernie got 30% of the vote. That means his voice is important. He could fuck Democrats badly if he wanted to. He endorsed Biden which was a big help for the latter at the time. If he had told his supporters to abstain from voting, I doubt Biden would be president now.

Comparing him to Yang is just wrong. The numbers aren't even close.

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u/Yiao-Ming May 01 '22

I guess the guy that only lost the nomination to the president

Twice. Shows you that he is a lot of things, but not the majority of democrats.

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u/yokingato May 01 '22

I never said majority of democrats.

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u/40for60 May 01 '22 edited May 01 '22

They hate everyone that's not in their little clique. Demagoguery is such a shitty way to roll. But AOC, Omar, Rashib etc... all voted for her.

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u/athenanon May 01 '22

Yeah they do support her where it counts. They always make sure that a true leftist perspective is heard, but they also know how to actually get things done and will usually vote sensibly. I think a lot of the real vitriol we see comes more from their hardline supporters than from them.

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u/msh0082 United States May 01 '22

So basically the Twitter crew? Get back to me when they actually do something meaningful.

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u/creamerboy May 01 '22

You think aoc and Bernie are relevant ?

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u/atred May 01 '22

Didn't AOC vote against the help for Ukraine? Together with MTG?

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u/msh0082 United States May 01 '22

No she voted for that. The no vote was for a bill to seize assets from Russian oligarchs. Tax the rich, but not the Russians. What a clown.

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u/atred May 01 '22

She explained that she's against civil forfeiture laws.

“Oligarchs should pay ... but this vote told POTUS to violate the 4th Amd & seize private property”

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/aoc-defends-lonely-vote-against-192600353.html

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u/scentsandsounds United States May 01 '22

Correct, they are Bernie bots. Dumbest people on the left

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u/NEDsaidIt May 01 '22

I think many of us think she is an AMAZING woman and leader. She deserves this award, she deserves a lot of praise. Where we do start to spilt is if she should remain in office, remain as the speaker, and for how long. She has said some things that get a bit into “it’s a banana Michael, how much could it cost? $10?” Territory. She did very well with holding some people accountable and upholding masks etc. But the party had moved too far center under her leadership (cough right cough) and it’s fair to talk about that. It doesn’t mean she hasn’t done amazing work.

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u/Geistbar May 01 '22

All the most likely candidates to succeed Pelosi at the top of the dem caucus leadership are to her right. Hoyers, Clyburn, and Jeffries are the three most likely people to get the job (not necessarily in that order) when she retires.

You'd have to go down to the 4th most likely, Clark, to have someone that is about as left as Pelosi (Clark I'd argue is to her left). If it comes down to it, Jeffries has a clear advantage over Clark, as much as I'm a big fan of Clark.

And the dem caucus has definitely moved left over Pelosi's tenure. Nearly all the blue dogs (conservative, usually southern, dems) have retired/been defeated. The rightmost parts of the dem caucus is about where the center of the party was a decade ago: it's a pretty substantial leftwards trend.

Not that the house caucus' ideological center has anything to do with Pelosi — it's just political realignment. At the end of the day the speaker can only push legislation that has 218+ votes, and that legislation is only worth the paper it's printed on if the senate finds 60 votes (very rare for anything new and meaningful) or uses reconciliation (limit one per budget year, with lots of limits).

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u/bot403 May 01 '22

It's not that she's not popular, it's just she's highly controversial. So the haters come out stronger whenever she is around.

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u/SlowLoudEasy May 01 '22

She is also a thousand years old. I have neighbors that old who I wouldnt trust to watch my cat, let alone lead my party.

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u/Beautiful_Debt_3460 May 01 '22

I wouldn't let these younger Republican representatives watch my cat, mostly because they'd try to fuck it.

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u/BoboJam22 May 01 '22

She is a massive fund raiser for the Democratic Party. She’ll be in office until she dies because the party cannot afford to lose her. I’m not a huge Nancy fan but I can’t ignore how important she is to the party.

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u/DeanBlandino May 01 '22

Powerful democrats will never be popular in the US. Being hated by republicans means you’re good at your job.

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u/Snafuregulator May 01 '22

Nancy pelosi is a complicated subject. Like any politician, opinions on them are usually party line driven. Fact of it is though, she is a very powerful politician. Her opinion of you can and will have consequences to your career. In the democrat party, she says jump and they all just hope they jumped high enough

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u/nomadofwaves May 01 '22

She doesn’t have the same control over Dems that McConnel has on republicans.

With democrats there’s a lot of opposing opinions with republicans it’s do what it takes to stay in power. Their messaging is 99.9% the same though out the party and when they attack something there’s no wishywashiness about it “defund the police, caravans, crt, woke etc…”

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u/balleballe111111 Anti Appeasement - Planes for Ukraine! May 01 '22

No one has the same control over anything that McConnel has over Republicans.

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u/star621 May 01 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

There’s a certain segment of American society who hate her for some ridiculous reason. I love Speaker Pelosi and I’ll be sad to see her go.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '22 edited May 10 '22

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u/CrumbsAndCarrots May 01 '22

What the ultra left never realizes is that these dem leaders are pragmatic first and foremost. They know how congress works and what they can get passed during any given session.

They’re not smoking angel dust and blowing it in the faces of their constituents. Sanders was the kid running for class president.. promising longer recess and free soda machines. Those things are cool sure. I want them too. But you can’t have them if there’s no chance of passing legislation.

Obama wanted universal healthcare. Yet I see lefties pushing hate on the ACA for being worthless. Obama couldn’t get a public option because of joe Lieberman. So the ACA looks as it looks because of concessions. Obama stated that it’s a step in the right direction and got the ball rolling towards universal healthcare. But dude gets slammed by sanders and AOC people say in and out on redddit.

Sorry to bring this up on ukraine sub. But it is Pelosi and this infighting on the left has ramifications for ukraine. If Biden didn’t win. If the Dems didn’t control congress there’s a good chance the US would be on the side of Russia. And could be going forward. The ultra left are too busy being selfosh to see that the Dems still do good in the world even if it’s not immediate for lefties. The Dems aren’t going backwards. They’re moving forward. But there just aren’t enough in the senate to get them to the next big step. Please turn out for midterms. Vote for the democrat on your ballot. The other party is in the process of destroying democracy. Policy is moot when democracy doesn’t exist anymore.

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u/athenanon May 01 '22 edited May 01 '22

Obama stated that it’s a step in the right direction and got the ball rolling towards universal healthcare. But dude gets slammed by sanders and AOC people say in and out on redddit.

Which is why no further steps in the right direction have been taken. People turned on him the moment he couldn't give them everything they want. I really wish people would think about what we are building for the future rather than what we can get right now for ourselves.

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u/the_colorful_lights May 02 '22

This is what makes me afraid for even any major step toward universal healthcare. Medicare for All won’t literally fix everything. It will at first, in fact, be a shit show, and it isn’t like countries with universal healthcare aren’t facing their own existential questions on how to handle increasing costs.

The far-left will surely be disappointed no matter what because their goal is actually socialism. Anything less is a betrayal. Republicans paint Democrats as socialists, which is flat out wrong, but their biggest fears about socialism are true with far-left politics in America. They just so happen to be all but completely irrelevant.

That’s a good thing IMO because like the far-right, the far-left is in the tank for Russia too.

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u/CrumbsAndCarrots May 01 '22 edited May 01 '22

Zero foresight or pragmatism. The “now” generation. Did gay marriage happen overnight? No. It took a generation inching along. And it wasn’t the GOP who made it a reality. It was the Dems. But the Dems are just as bad as the GOP? What about the Supreme Court? Judge katanji Jackson is basically the same as kavanough. Nbd. “Fuck Biden! He’s done nothing.”

The funny thing is these guys act like they’re waiting for the system to collapse so they can rebuild from the ashes. Maybe 1% of them have ever held a gun. Best they’re getting is free school at Trump re-education university. Talk about student loan forgiveness. Can’t beat free re-education. Tuckers white nationalist program has a really cool guest appearances with Orban and Putin.

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u/athenanon May 01 '22

She's center-center-left, so both wings hate her.

Also, Americans tend to naturally dislike people more the longer they have power.

I like her fine. Ideologically she is way to my right, but she has been competent and capable and I can recognize that there is a long road before my ideals get accepted. I'm in it for generational change. In the meantime I will always support level-headed leadership that can keep the ship from capsizing and who might even make a few improvements if allowed.

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u/SweetAlyssumm May 01 '22

Thanks for that explanation. I thought it was a typo. Always happy to learn some new lingo!

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u/frfr777 May 01 '22

I think this goes beyond politics. You might like or dislike Nancy Pelosi, but in Ukraine she didn’t represent herself. She represented the United States and their commitment to put an end to this genocide. Don’t look at the individual, rather at the symbolic meaning of her being there.

We are all together in this, no matter where you’re from or what your political inclination is at home 🇺🇸🇺🇦

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u/EFCgaming May 01 '22

She's technically 3rd in line to the President so its pretty massive symbolically

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u/Asleep_Pear_7024 May 01 '22

I dislike her. Will grudgingly give her credit here.

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u/WendyWasteful May 01 '22

Same with Boris Johnson. Not a fan of his but I respect him for going to Ukraine and meeting the President.

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u/IamStrqngx May 01 '22

It would be nice if he stepped up and took more refugees, rather than using Ukraine as his personal criticism shield

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u/KusanagiKay May 01 '22

I'm still so disappointed that my country (Germany) is doing so little and such bullshit to 'help' Ukraine.

I mean, are you fuckin kidding me? We can do WAY better than sending them 60 years old tanks for which we don't even have ammo anymore, and which take 6 months to get people trained to use them.

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u/the_colorful_lights May 02 '22

I’m an American living in Germany. There is so much to love about Germany, but it’s historic Russia policy is shameful. Germany is close enough to Russia to make an obscene profit there, but far enough away and historically protected by NATO to pretend Russia isn’t a threat to everything for which Germany and the EU claim to stand.

I am an optimist of course, so I see this as an opportunity for Germans to reexamine their position on Russia with a new light. They had been coasting. I really do think Germans will come through in the end when it still matters.

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u/Islandgirl1444 May 01 '22

Good that she went. No matter how the US politics are, going to Ukraine is huge.

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u/pmabz May 01 '22

And still a risky place to go. Kudos.

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u/KevQS13 May 01 '22

I am not a Nancy fan by any means but good for her for making that trek to show US support.

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u/TheBadMartin May 01 '22

Is it amazing that even the politicians you don't like, or even voted against, still represent YOUR interests? That's how it should be.

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u/thatblondeguy_ May 01 '22

Has the USA ever been this united on anything at all?

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u/sodapopkevin May 01 '22

After 9-11 and Pearl Harbor are 2 instances that come to mind.

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u/Heroheadone May 01 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

My favorite quote from ww2 is from the aftermath of pearl harbor.

“ Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, who planned the attack on Pearl Harbor would reportedly write in his diary, “I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.”

In today’s terms it’s like “and this was the moment he knew they f*cked up”

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u/DankandSpank May 01 '22

He was one of the foremost in Japanese leadership who believed they should avoid war with America at all costs. When the attack was ordered he had no choice but to obey.

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u/Heroheadone May 01 '22

Indeed you are right. He was a brilliant military man. And he had studied in the U.S So he knew the resolve of the American people very well.

It’s still an awesome quote.

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u/Kscharmota May 01 '22

Was he the one that said not to invade because there's a rifle behind every blade of grass?

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u/pmabz May 01 '22

He'd need to update it as there's guns everywhere now

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u/OyabunRyo May 02 '22

There's no actual proof that quote was said by him

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u/gjloh26 May 01 '22

"I need ammo not a ride."

And this was the start of a long drawn cognitive process where they realised they fucked up and fucked up bad.

The Ruzis are just slower that way

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u/the_YellowRanger May 01 '22

"We fucked around. I fear we will soon find out."

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u/fixnahole May 01 '22

Yamamoto said that in the movie "Tora! Tora! Tora!", but there is no record in real life he actually ever said that.

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u/Heroheadone May 01 '22

No he didn’t say it. He wrote it in his dairy. But I’ll give you that it’s still debatable. Since it was lost when allied forces shot him down.

A lot of these quotes are often debatable as they are from a time were not everything was recorded.

Even if… still an awesome quote.

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u/cv5cv6 May 01 '22

While a great line, it was from a movie called Tora!, Tora!, Tora!.

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u/fmfsaltyDOC8403 May 01 '22

Rodger that, and we've been steamrolling ever since..

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u/PrudentFartDiversion May 01 '22

We fight like family. It can get ugly when we fight but god help the outsider who hurts one of ours.

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u/RowWeekly May 01 '22

I am not certain we are still family. A large portion of the so-called family attempted an insurrection. Russia played a large role in that and the destruction of the family. To say the least, I am okay with my taxes helping Ukraine to kill Russians.

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u/According_Surround_7 May 01 '22

Eh, 160 years ago part of the family started a war that killed several hundred thousand and we mended after that.

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u/Johnny-Edge May 01 '22

The tea thing as well

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u/danr246 May 01 '22

WWI and WWII. When JFK was assassinated we mourned. There are plenty of examples of when our nation came together as one people. Same goes for Ukraine. When Russia invaded Ukrainians banded together.

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u/putdisinyopipe May 01 '22

9/11 as well. That galvanized the American people, especially New Yorkers.

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u/danr246 May 01 '22

Yeah when 9/11 happened I was in downtown Minneapolis in a skyscraper. I was a young 19 year old working an IT call center job. I was so young and not very worldly so I didn't know what the world trade center buildings were. Upon leaving downtown Minneapolis at 10 am (which was weird) I felt like I was apart of an army of ants leaving the downtown area all at once. That was was a weird feeling as well. An individual on the bus who was an Arabian was looking down in shame. I felt bad for him and told him it wasn't his fault. It wasn't until I got home and saw pictures of the buildings on fire and collapsing, the Pentagon on fire and videos of the plane crash did I finally realize just how fucked up of a situation this was. I'll never forget the day. Now every 9/11 I watch documentaries about 9/11 and mourn the loss of our fellow Americans.

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u/putdisinyopipe May 01 '22 edited May 01 '22

Omg man how visceral. Isn’t it strange how every American can remember in vivid detail the happenings of the day too.

I remember it, I was 12, I’ll never forget seeing the first tower smolder- the second plane hit, and than the collapse. My mom cried, I thought it strange- but now that I’m older, one thing they didn’t tell me or explain is why people were jumping out of windows. And the fact that 1000s of people with families died terrified, scared, painfully.

We hadn’t seen shit like that since Pearl Harbor.

Than I remember the islamiphobia and xenophobia too. I felt so bad for Sikhs in my city. (Lotta Sikhs lived where I grew up and they were the butt end of many slurs) it made me sad. Arab kids got picked on too. I never partook in that. (Mom raised me right)

That is such a sad experience though, especially the man on the bus. You did the right thing by consoling him. I couldn’t imagine what the “American” experience would be like as a middle easterner, or darker west Asian, Sikh or Muslim. After that as the propaganda machine really built up the “Muslims bad” rhetoric. There is so much unnecessary vitriol in this world. And alls it would take to fix it is for the assholes to make a simple decision to accept others differences and embrace humanity wholly.

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u/SovietSunrise May 01 '22

Every 9/11 I read a thread on Flyer Talk that started that fateful day. The developing sense of dread as information came in post by post, the horror everyone was experiencing, the prescience some posters expressed. It really takes me back to that day.

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u/Mayo_Spouse May 01 '22

I've never heard more conservative simping for Putin than the last two months. Tucker "just asking questions" Carlson was all over sympathizing with that dictator and saying his war was justified. All for political points against Biden.

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u/TheTranscendent1 May 01 '22

Is he still doing it? I feel like people learned ratings only came from being pro-Ukraine (which is the correct stance) after a couple weeks.

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u/dCLCp May 02 '22

He and others that follow him still simp for Russia. It's really sad. My father's politics are unintentionally hilarious. He was in the Navy before the USSR fell. He was being trained to fight Russia but he just mindlessly consumes Fox news and repeats their bullshit like he's been brainwashed.

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u/balleballe111111 Anti Appeasement - Planes for Ukraine! May 01 '22

He's a special breed.

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u/Emergency_Market_324 May 01 '22

I’m a huge Nancy Pelosi fan, and from California, and it’s just so great that she went over there.

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u/TheBadMartin May 01 '22

And just like that Ukraine united the whole free world... ;)

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u/jw44724 May 01 '22

This!

While I am very happy to see Ukraine (freedom, liberty, democracy) get the support from America that it deserves— this award should only be symbolic for Nancy Pelosi. This should not be presented as if she received the award personally. She received it on behalf of America who she represents.

And let’s be honest, she was able to coordinate the support for Ukraine because of popular support. Initially and up to the beginning of the invasion, support was not as strong and suggestions of more aid were shrugged off as many in positions of power in the US listened to the intelligence “experts” that gave Ukraine only days of survival, and so had written Ukraine off. But then Ukraine endured. And popular support grew in the US, and the elected representatives (as led by Pelosi) reacted to the support.

And why was there such a drastic shift in popular support? Should the American citizens be given credit for this miracle? No. I believe not. The Ukrainian citizens are responsible. They showed a courage and resolve that the world has never seen. By Ukraine’s own actions the world’s collective popular support grew and flourished. The world merely rallied behind the heroic Ukrainians. Zelensky’s courage hardened his nations resolve.

Honestly, I think Nancy Pelosi should have turned around and handed the award back to Zelensky, on behalf of the American people and said “Here, I think YOU deserve this more”

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u/Turbulent-Dot1068 May 01 '22

Why would she present the award back to Zelensky? The award is beneath Zelensky. It's just like you have been awarded knighthood by The Queen and you gave it back to her majesty because she deserves it more. Unthinkable.

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u/jw44724 May 01 '22 edited May 01 '22

I guess I should have written a longer post to better explain my reasoning for suggesting such a figurative (not literal) gesture

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u/RowWeekly May 01 '22

I think, perhaps, the Leader of Free Ukraine wanted to express his nation's gratitude for the help given by the United States. I have to vote Democratic because the other side is batshit insane, but I have never been a huge Nancy fan ... until that State of The Union Address wherein she showed Trump the lack of respect and contempt that a Putin stooge deserved. Then I knew, if nothing else, she loved her country. Been a bit of a personal truce since.

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u/jw44724 May 01 '22 edited May 01 '22

My post had nothing to do with American domestic politics, if that is how you took it.

It had to do with the bravery of the Ukrainian people and specifically the steadfast leadership of Zelensky…

And maybe a little bit of an indictment on America’s self-centered attitude towards the rest of the world, and tendency to seek validation. In that context, I think you taking my comment about Ukraine and making it about America, missed the mark.

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u/balleballe111111 Anti Appeasement - Planes for Ukraine! May 01 '22

The title says the award is specifically for her personal effort. Why would you think it is not being given to her personally?

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u/flossdog May 01 '22

wow I had no idea Pelosi went to Ukraine now. I thought this was an old photo or something! crazy

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u/paleo_joe May 01 '22

One thing not noted is that she is third in line to be the US president if something happened to the current president and vice president. She may be the most powerful politician in Washington, at least in terms of getting things done as opposed to obstructing the other party.

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u/KecemotRybecx May 01 '22

Same. I’m uber-progressive and no fan of hers but I will be fair an give credit for this one.

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u/balleballe111111 Anti Appeasement - Planes for Ukraine! May 01 '22

Absolutely, it made me smile to see. She's really moved!

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u/DonatellaVerpsyche May 01 '22

Love this. Keep it comin, guys! Putin must be hating this. Who can we expect next?

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u/SeeYouBelly May 01 '22

Can we see a surprise POTUS visit too? Would make a big statement.

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u/Itchy_Ad_3659 May 01 '22

They would create a no fly zone so big they might end up accidentally defeating the entire russian army. 😄

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u/GletscherEis Australia May 01 '22

Highly unlikely, even on US soil there's effectively a no fly zone around the president.

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u/the_retag May 01 '22

great excuse for no fly zone in ukraine

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u/aeplus May 01 '22

Can the president waive the no fly zone against military advice?

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u/GletscherEis Australia May 01 '22

My understanding is the policy is from Secret Service, but POTUS can probably do whatever the hell they feel like.

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u/Snafuregulator May 01 '22

We wouldn't know about such a decision. When the American president flies to another nation, it is done in secret. Sometimes Congress isn't even notified. We just find out when he turns up somewhere. Opsec is super tight when it comes to air force one

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u/Nickyro May 01 '22

Too dangerous for everyone it would drag into the war if anything happens. Not enough benefits.

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u/snacktonomy May 01 '22

The joke is, it's not dangerous for POTUS, it's too dangerous for everyone else

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u/AndriYatim May 01 '22 edited May 01 '22

So many keyboard warriors and instant internet generals available, yet an 82 yr old politician risks her life, making the trip to constantly bombed Kyiv, in a show of solidarity and I'm sure more monetary, supply-chain and military support.

And no it's not to deflect from personal wrongdoings like Boris Johnson.

Nancy and the EU politicians pledging and giving incredible support in real time are true heroes and badasses.

This war has exposed world leaders' true composition. Some have achieved redemption, like Duda and Poroshenko. Some have shown what turd-nuggets they really are.

Thank you USA, Poland, Slovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, Estonia, Moldova, Italy, France, Spain, Sweden, Finland, Denmark and Britain.

Слава Украине.

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u/Decent-Stretch4762 May 01 '22

Plus keep in mind it's not an easy trip. Planes don't fly. You need to fly to Poland and then take a bus/car to the border, and then ride in a train over 600 kilometers to get to Kyiv. It's no joke, and to this day no place is really safe from cruise missiles.

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u/NeonPlutonium May 01 '22

I’m thinking there were a few US warplanes very close to Ukraine that might have dipped a toe across the border had an incoming cruise missile been detected...

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u/winter-roses May 01 '22

And she does it in heels. Looking at all those steps and uneven walkways (no hate, it's just the way historic pavements are) would have me nervous the cameras would catch me eating shit as I caught a heel.

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u/berzerkthatcash USA May 01 '22

I agree with everything you just wrote. She is a badass at 82.

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u/the_colorful_lights May 02 '22

I agree with this and would also add that it is heartening to see that the vast majority of the citizens of these nations have been ready to step up in their own capacity to defend Ukraine’s right to exist.

It has been a real reality bitch slap across people’s faces about what is most important to us all, that which ties our nation and allies together. Democracy and liberty aren’t a given. It takes consistent support to keep dictators and authoritarian nations at bay, let alone extend these virtues to those who are struggling to make it a reality for their own people.

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u/gr8dude1166 American - Slava Ukraini May 01 '22

Olga was a badass. When she was asked what she would require to stop besieging a city she requested a bird from every household.

She then had her soldiers tie lighted candles to the birds and have them fly back to the city where it was destroyed

That may sound pretty terrible however it’s worth mentioning that this city had killed her husband in an ambush

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u/soren7550 May 01 '22

Not the point, but it’s nice to see Zelenskyy be the physically tall one in a photo. 😅

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u/Espinita_Boricua May 01 '22

Slava Ukraine!!!

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u/LanguishViking May 01 '22

Indeed the time to visit is a week after giving him 33 billion dollars in stuff he really really wants.

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u/Lvtxyz May 01 '22 edited May 01 '22

Well let's remeber that no one has given that yet. Biden suggested it and it needs to go to congress where Pelosi and other congressional leaders need to get it passed.

If you're American, contact your representatives and ask them to pass it!

Text 50409 (resist bot, Google it, not sketchy) for a really easy way to do so from your phone.

Edit: if you have a republican senator please please contact them.

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u/dubbleplusgood May 01 '22

She's the Speaker of the House of Reps and it will pass there. The problem, as always, is the the Senate which is heavily Imbalanced towards Russian puppets Republican senators.

But who knows anymore. MAGA has turned everything in American politics into a shitshow and all norms are out the window so I guess anything can happen.

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u/Lvtxyz May 01 '22

Yes it's very, very important to contact your senators and doubly so if they are republican.

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u/boxingdude May 01 '22 edited May 01 '22

there's a time to be political and there's a time to be pragmatic. i literally have no use for pelosi mainly for reasons that are already listed.

but i also can recognize when someone's passion drives her actions, and looking at this particular visit, she really had to visit Zelensky, if for no other reason, to guage for herself how bad things really are. now that she's well-informed by President Zelensky, she can return to Congress with clear objectives, roll up her sleeves, and get that 33 billion through the house.

Bravo, Speaker Pelosi.

edit: changed from congresswoman Pelosi to Speaker Pelosi.

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u/dubbleplusgood May 01 '22 edited May 01 '22

I'm also no fan of Pelosi, although for none of the idiotic reasons made up by the right, but I know she can get many things done in Washington that others would fail at miserably. I also believe she sincerely cares about her country and has spent much of her life working to keep it together. (which may also explain why Republicans project so hard against her)

e: btw, I don't think she's a congresswoman. She's the Speaker of the House and her title is either Madame Speaker or The Honorable....but I'm not 100 % sure I'm correct about that.

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u/WhiteSavior69 May 01 '22

Republicans are Russian sympathizers so there’s a chance they will try to kill the aid

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u/[deleted] May 01 '22

As a citizen of this world I'm soooo glad Trump and the Republican Party are not in charge of US government at this time. Ukraine would never have gotten the support she needs if Trump was still in office.

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u/gravitythread May 01 '22

I shudder to imagine what that oaf would be doing in office right now.

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u/fywwt May 01 '22

Every time I see criticism, even deserved criticism, of our allies for not doing enough, I have this thought. Then I try to stop thinking, because it is too painful. And terrifying.

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u/unknown_nut May 01 '22

I can already see the raging from a certain category.

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u/crystalmerchant May 01 '22

My boomer mid-60s Trumpian Q mother will 100% find a way to make this about the globalist cabal

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u/70ms May 01 '22

"The Jewish space lasers were made in Ukraine! They just used them to set Siberia on fire!"

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u/balleballe111111 Anti Appeasement - Planes for Ukraine! May 01 '22

Well, there WAS a fire, it must be true!

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u/RowWeekly May 01 '22

Oh, snap! Nancy showed up? Good on her!

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u/Sun_on_my_shoulders May 01 '22

I don’t know if I could stand next to Zelensky without jumping the poor man’s bones.

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u/ReverseLab May 01 '22

Nancy Pelosi has chuzpe. I love this woman.

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u/bullanguero82 Chile May 01 '22

What's that?

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u/UselessInsight May 01 '22

Yiddish term for bravery or audacity.

Yiddish is a Germanic language spoken primarily by Ashkenazi Jews. Many Yiddish terms have been incorporated into English over the years thanks to the large Jewish diaspora presence in the United States.

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u/protosser May 01 '22

The right in shambles

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u/Conscious-Sky56 May 01 '22

I am not a member of Nancy’s fan club, but I give her credits for supporting Ukraine.

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u/PaintingElectrons May 01 '22

WOW. She's the third most powerful person in the US government. She also controls the wallet of the US because her Party has control of the US House of Representatives.

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u/pauley37656 May 01 '22

We are seeing a living hero in our time.

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u/rivers-end May 01 '22

For someone who looks like she could break at any moment, she is badass and I'm glad someone with her power in the US is fighting for all that is good and righteous.

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u/onlineseller8183 May 01 '22

Republicans are going to shit bricks over this.

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u/Tri-P0d May 01 '22

Fuck you Trump for not supporting Ukraine.

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u/Jeriahswillgdp May 01 '22

This is the best thing Pelosi has done in years.

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u/damagstah May 01 '22

Do you think he’s like, “thanks so much,” but in reality is like, “I don’t have time for this shit”

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u/CapitalString May 01 '22

I think that he definitely has time for one of the most influential politicians on the planet.

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u/Low_Plane_6954 May 01 '22

Nancy Pelosi is an ally of Ukraine. In the last two months alone she has expedited emergency funding that exceeds $1 billion. She is now working on a $33 Billion aid package for Ukraine.

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u/0vindicator1 May 02 '22

Yeah, it nauseates me that all of these pols keep bothering him with their meaningless visits, all because they want the visibility of "ooo, I waved me hand over the flame" (by being over there for a brief moment), while he's deep in the fire (really, it's the soldiers and civilians that are the most), and he has repeatedly told the pols what they need, but like he said, "every time is like groundhog day" with them.