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The Amount of Weapons the U.S. Has Sent to Ukraine Is Astounding - In a matter of a few weeks, the U.S. has provided Ukraine with more weapons than the entire Ukrainian military budget. News

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/05/the-amount-of-weapons-the-u-s-has-sent-to-ukraine-is-astounding/
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u/Miamitodallas May 11 '22

Very proud of how we’ve helped although most here in the USA realize the human cost dwarfs the monetary/arms contribution. I look forward to visiting Ukraine in better times. Truly awe inspiring the courage we’ve seen.

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u/rimshot99 May 12 '22

The US has pumped lots of money into Afghanistan, Iraq wars, but the population there seemed so beaten down, so indifferent to their own rights and their own oppression. The Taliban stepped in immediately after the West leaves. What was the point?

Ukrainians? They viscerally crave the benefits of liberal democracy, the freedom to decide their own future, they are completely committed to breaking free of Russian influence, there is no turning back for them. Ukrainians are risking and paying the ultimate price for our Western world view, sending weapons and cash does not feel like it is enough, it is frustrating in a way that sending more may trigger WWIII.

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u/run400 May 12 '22

I recommend everyone to watch Winter on Fire. Ukraine won their freedom in 2013-2014. It's up to the rest of the free world to ensure they keep it.

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u/RyeBold May 12 '22

That's cause Afghanistan is a nation not a country. On night one of this conflict I was talking a foreign policy expert, old family friend, and he said the biggest question to answer would be, "Is Ukraine a nation or a country?" If they were a nation, then they most likely wouldn't stand up to fight for the idea of an independent Ukraine as a country.

It's clear what the answer to that question is now, but based on many of the things I've watched and read on here, no one really knew the answer to that question on night 1.

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u/Buelldozer May 12 '22

no one really knew the answer to that question on night 1.

It was Zelensky's swaggering bravado in the early days that did it.

His statement when the US offered transport out of Ukraine likely sealed the deal.

"The Fight is Here; I Need Ammunition, Not a Ride." Man I had a Bald Eagle Boner 1776 Freedom Units long when I heard that line.

Then he backed it up by staying in Kyiv, dodging Russian death squads while visiting troops and daily appearing in the news with his big brass balls in a wheelbarrow exhorting western citizens and their leaders to get in the fight and help.

None of what we're seeing in Ukraine today could have happened if Zelensky had left the country. Whether it was carefully managed PR or completely genuine that guy inspired his country to fight and the world to come help.

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u/AttackBacon May 12 '22

Yes, his individual role in this can't be overstated. He gave the free world a clear position to rally around and a clear directive to follow as it quickly became clear that Ukraine could and would fight. His position in history is assured.

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u/johnnygrant May 12 '22

The biggest thing is that Ukraine actually repulsed the initial attack... he probably helped in improving morale of TDF and UA... but it seems those guys were willing to sacrifice to protect their country.

From that point on, confidence of the West grew that this is a people worth backing and that whatever military help we give won't just end up in Russian hands after capitulation.

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u/ForrestCFB May 12 '22

This. Remember when we were hesitant to even send bulletproof vests? Man, now we are sending panzerhaubitze's. I really think the west was somewhat traumatized by afghanistan and we didn't want to lose a lot of money and equipment for nothing again, but boy did these guys fight and now the west wants to fully support them, so Ukraine has a ridiculous amount of money and weapons coming in, something russia could only dream of.

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u/big_cat_in_tiny_box May 12 '22 edited May 12 '22

I think it was more than Zelensky, though arguably he had a hand in all of the other accomplishments of those early days that solidified Ukraine’s knowledge that they could persevere.

  1. Zelensky himself. That video of him standing outside with his fellow politicians/advisors was so stunningly brave, it gave me goose bumps.
  2. The soldiers were just as brave. “Go fuck yourself, Russian Warship” was another moment that captured the nation’s attention and the world’s.
  3. The military leadership in Ukraine didn’t miss a single second when utilizing intelligence from allies. Blowing up runways, flooding the areas around Kyiv, and turning the 40 mile convoy into road kill via hacked Russian correspondence was true genius.

(One of my favorite summaries on the Battle of Kyiv, for additional reading! https://twitter.com/tomiahonen/status/1510276474175115281?s=21&t=6kGZZSYJ33DNLCoI-8u2RA )

It was a Perfect Storm of Ukrainians uniting around a few key moments and realizing they could fight off Russia. The cherry on top was the stunning incompetence and corruption in the Russian military revealed to all of the world.

I don’t think I will ever forget that video of a Ukraine fighter unwrapping bars of C-4 to find they are just blocks of wood. Couldn’t make that shit up in a movie.

Edit: typo

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u/The_Rocktopus May 12 '22

Other way around - it's a country, not a nation.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '22

Country is physical and Nation is political/ideological. Not trying to be confrontational. Just think you got them mixed up.

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u/reflUX_cAtalyst May 12 '22

You've got it backwards. It's a country, not a nation. It's a bunch of small unrelated territories that the world collectively calls "Afganistan." The country has borders, it has no national identity. They don't think of themselves as "Afgani."

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u/RowWeekly May 12 '22

Courage but more impressive for me, Ukrainian resilience. You cannot keep them down! It is like Chubba Wubba "Tubthumping" could be their new anthem after this war.

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u/Musashi-Miyamot0 May 12 '22

Hopefully many throughout the word will be able to visit beautiful Ukraine once Russia is defeated and help stimulate the economy and encourage the rebuild!

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u/SeedScape May 11 '22 Wholesome hehehehe

US been edging that cold war stockpile, seems to be busting a nut right now for Ukraine.

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u/infiniteoo1 May 12 '22

Nah. This is not Cold War stuff we are sending. Look at 🇺🇸 budget on military annually. It dwarfs other countries and we are arming Ukraine and disarming ruzzia at the same time. The RuZZia in not getting this to be a three day war screwed themselves.

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u/Buelldozer May 12 '22

Actually for the first 60 days we were sending them our leftover Cold War stuff, but our leftovers are from the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s, much of it upgraded at various points along the way.

Meanwhile all of Russia's scrap is leftovers from the 60s, 70s, and 80s.

With the last aid package some of the newer toys came out of the box, now with Lend-Lease Ukraine was handed a near all access pass to the largest modern arsenal in the world.

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u/ccmp1598 May 11 '22

I’m not sure what is says about the current state of rhetoric that this is the metaphor that you chose

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u/yeswecann May 12 '22

War Wacker

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u/vilified-moderate May 12 '22

exporting weapons? thats as peaceful as it gets here

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u/QuiteAffable May 12 '22

That’s right. Ukraine is bearing the ultimate cost to defend democracy

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u/dhankook2 May 11 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

We're only just getting started

If you think I'm joking, 1) political dynamics right now in the USA are such that each political party is incentivized to try to 'outdo' the other in terms of Ukrainian aid; 2) we can afford it (many citizens are starting to understand this is the most effective thing we can do with our defense budget in terms of reducing the war-waging capacity of our #2 strategic threat); 3) I forget what #3 is but slava ukraine

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u/jorgepolak May 12 '22

With Lend-Lease, it's not even a political party issue anymore. Biden can now send whatever Ukraine wants without congressional approval. And Biden is all in.

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u/SharpenedStone May 12 '22

You know you fucked up when you give the United States an opportunity, glorified by basically the entire world, to spend a shitload of money on war. Russia is not going to enjoy the future. Slava Ukraini

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u/quietguy_6565 May 12 '22 Heartwarming

Military industrial complex go brrrrrrrrrrrt

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u/rnaa49 May 12 '22

The DoD has even asked the MIC to brainstorm entirely new weapon systems for the Ukraine war, on a fast track to deployment. "Here's a bunch of money. Let your engineers go wild. All those crazy ideas they had, and you didn't think would be profitable? Let's see them."

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u/Rome217 May 12 '22

They probably haven't been able to get rid of their hard-ons for the past two months. Not only do they need to ramp up production for the war effort, they also get to replace all the weapons donated to Ukraine by the US and all the other countries.

That's an absolute insane amount of money heading their way.

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u/elppaenip May 12 '22

Yeah normally its our Police getting the military surplus

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u/no2jedi May 12 '22

The executives in those big defence companies are probably thanking Putin for his stupidity

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u/LilYawnee May 12 '22

Senator Armstrong has entered the chat

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u/ampjk May 12 '22

After the desert war i figured it take at least 5 years for another thing to happen not a couple of months

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u/CA_vv May 11 '22

This - I'm reminded of a great American warrior from our early days JPJ:

"We have not yet begun to arm Ukraine"

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u/PowerResponsibility May 12 '22

No Quarter was pretty badass, In Through the Out Door was a bit overdone though.

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u/be0wulfe May 12 '22

"HMB" - JP "Bubba" J

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u/Cpotter07 May 12 '22

Yeah lots more on the way, I live in Texas and it used to be a treat to see a tank or something on a train or 18-wheeler heading to war. The past two months I have seen hundred of 18-wheelers moving military equipment and train after train filled with all sorts of cool military tanks, & vehicles. Almost daily I see a few military vehicles in route it’s amazing!!! Give em all we got! Give em all the good shit they are ducking Russia up & I love it & will not complain one but if my tax goes up it’s the least we can do!!!

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u/Suspicious_Expert_97 May 11 '22

Don't forget the mountain of money we spent each year in Iraq and Afghanistan for 10 years straight lol yea we can still step it up a notch and our military industrial complex is only begining to step up production as well

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u/[deleted] May 12 '22

No kidding. Spent trillions of dollars and thousands of lives for people who didn't even want our help. Plus, the overwhelming majority didn't want to fight.

Ukraine wants our help and they want to fight. As a taxpayer I say we keep helping them.

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u/Mental_Medium3988 May 12 '22

its destroying russias ability to wage war and its a damn cheap way to do so while not putting any americans at risk unless they explicitly chose to go.

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u/noir_lord May 12 '22

It's also a useful example to China that the US is still the pre-eminent military power on the planet and when needed can turn out high tech/high capable weapons on a massive scale.

Every bullet the US sends to Ukraine is a warning to China to not touch Taiwan.

Honestly other than the fact that the western world absolute should help Ukraine for moral reasons.

Helping them is a massive win for us (US/UK etc) on the geo-political stage.

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u/CA_vv May 11 '22

Lend lease is basically an unlimited credit card to Ukraine for MIC purchases from USA. No need for budget authorizations, only question is does Biden / Pentagon approve the lease of equipment.

And at the end of the war, if it was used to kill / destroy Russian's, we'll write it off.

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u/RowWeekly May 12 '22

Understand, too, that this will put people to work in the USA, in well paying jobs. Nothing more lucrative than war, sadly, but at least this war is for a just cause.

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u/LambdaLambo May 12 '22

A lot of things more lucrative than war. But war is pretty lucrative.

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u/facedownbootyuphold May 12 '22

Lend-lease isn’t a loan, it’s a gift card. The US is giving them a gift card to shop at the company store.

3 on this list is the military industrial complex. While other countries wage war until their money is depleted, the US turns the economy into a profiteering venture.

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u/mlw72z May 12 '22

The lend-lease act doesn't explicitly state that it's a gift:

(3) CONDITION.—Any loan or lease of defense articles to the Government of Ukraine under paragraph (1) shall be subject to all applicable laws concerning the return of and reimbursement and repayment for defense articles loan or leased to foreign governments.

In practice it may well end up like the lend-lease act of WWII where very little was actually returned or paid for. Fighting a common enemy was payment enough.

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u/crawlmanjr May 12 '22

This isn't true. The credit card analogy is better. Ukraine will have to pay this back later but will be stretched over many years.

Sources

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3025302/biden-signs-lend-lease-act-to-supply-more-security-assistance-to-ukraine/

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u/plittlediddle May 12 '22

And likely pennies on the dollar. Maybe a Black Sea naval base.

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u/crawlmanjr May 12 '22

They also don't have to pay for any equipment returned.

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u/RightWingVisitor May 12 '22

After the war:

"Here's your M777 back guys, thanks very much for letting us borrow it. Seems the barrel is a little bit melted now, is that a problem?"

"Looks fine to me."

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u/Ravenwing14 May 12 '22

Wouldn't that be great? As a result of the war, ukraine leases Sevastopol base to the US navy instead of russia. Putler would be apoplectic (if he lives to see it).

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u/Mammal186 May 12 '22

Here's the thing even. This war drove the value of the US dollar through the roof. It has proven its the only truly stable currency. This war has also pretty much reset the Bretton Woods world order back to zenith. The US can pretty much spend without limit in this regard.

Think about it like this. We just spend about 5 trillion dollars in the last couple years on COVID. At the same time we increased our military budget, saw the global supply chain collapse, added a bunch of new spending, didn't raise taxes, didnt really change any behavior, and we ONLY have 8.5% inflation.

Russia needs to understand that there is no ceiling to our potential spending. At the same time we are taking a sledge hammer to their economy.

Russia also knows that nukes are not an option because they cannot detect our F35s. We can completely cripple them without firing one Nuke. They would lose their entire army in Ukraine, their entire navy and their ability to export oil in about an hour after firing a nuke.

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u/pantie_fa USA May 12 '22

The problem is that F-35's can't take out submarines.

That problem (Russia's sub fleet) really needs to be solved. ASAP. If the rest of the world ever wants any security, Russia must be de-nuclearized. Maybe not next year. Maybe not ten years from now. But until they change, it's a sword hanging over Europe and the rest of the world.

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u/Enrage May 12 '22

There are only 2-3 Russian missile subs on patrol at any given time. The US has ~60 attack subs. I would imagine each Russian sub has AT LEAST one tail at the moment. They can be tracked when they leave base. Even the new subs are pretty loud after their first few deployments because of maintenance issues.

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u/captainhaddock 🍁🌸 May 12 '22

Does the Pentagon accurately track the position of every nuclear-armed submarine?

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u/noir_lord May 12 '22

No one knows, that is very classified.

That said everything people have said who are in the know and stuff I've read in books suggests that the US submarines where always way ahead of the Russians to the extent they'd acquire them leaving port and trail them for weeks without the Russians ever knowing they where there.

Since the end of the cold war that gap has only gotten wider.

The Russians are still rocking soviet Akula's, the US went through two generations and multiple tech upgrades since then (the Seawolf and Virginia classes) and we (Britain) went to the Astute which is likely comparable to the Virgina class.

Basically no one can say for certain how good we are but I reckon that we are better than even the Russians would expect on their most pessimistic day.

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u/Chrznble May 12 '22

They track them for sure. But even tracking them does not mean we can nail all launches at us. The real answer is that we could eliminate a lot of the threat if nukes were launched. But some will get to their target. There will be collateral damage for sure.

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u/Suspicious_Expert_97 May 12 '22

Not to mention even giving the equipment away will help our economy and create well paying jobs in the states from expanding military industry lol. And I hope world leaders are willing to take that step if nukes are used as without a line that shouldn't be crossed existing then the line will keep being pushed back

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u/FizyIzzy May 12 '22

Dude, this is are cheapest war. :( by a lot.

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u/LordMoos3 May 12 '22

Cheaper in terms of direct spending, and indirect costs.

We have not spent a single US troop there.

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u/IllustriousState6859 May 12 '22

Capitalism meets Putin's expansionism: we got a BOGO free tactical strategy for defeating Russia.

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u/LordMoos3 May 12 '22

I mean, Lend Lease is basically 0% financing, no money down, no payments on any equipment that's used to defeat Russia.

Act now, and we'll throw in a hundred M777 155mm howitzers. And Unlimited Ammo Refills for life*!

*Life of the Russian invaders.

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u/Domspun May 12 '22

When all those howitzers are deployed and Ukrainians finished their training in Germany on tracked howitzer, Russia is doomed.

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u/PickleMinion May 12 '22

We've been fighting proxy wars with Russia since the 40s, looks like with the Ukrainians we finally find a proxy force worth supporting.

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u/jctwok May 12 '22

...that we know of.

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u/sarcasm-o-rama May 12 '22

And the US stands to benefit so much more when Russia is beaten down, than any other recent war.

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u/RowWeekly May 12 '22 edited May 12 '22

And, boys and girls, we will have a solid ally in Europe. Ukraine, to me, seems a bit more practical than, say, France. Ukraine cannot afford to appease tyrants/Russians in the region because they all want Ukraine's resources. In business they would call our investment in Ukraine's freedom and independence to be synergistic. We will both be stronger for the alliance.

Synergy is the concept that the value and performance of two companies combined will be greater than the sum of the separate individual parts. If two companies can merge to create greater efficiency or scale

EDIT: there is NO WAY that many people not on the French troll payroll jumped to the defense of France! No way! Also, The Founders chose Britain over France even AFTER the Brits burned our capital, so that France is America’s oldest ally crap can end now. This is me giving double bird to DeGaulle!,

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u/Lophius_Americanus May 12 '22

I bash France as much as the next guy when they do dumb shit (I actually love the country and people) but they are our oldest ally. American and French soldiers have been fighting and dying together for 245 years.

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u/jctwok May 12 '22

We wouldn't exist if it weren't for France.

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u/MontaukMonster2 May 12 '22

Touché. That friendship runs so deep we can make fun of each other and no one gets pissy about it.

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u/PengieP111 May 12 '22

France is the US's older sister. Older sisters can be bossy, will always tell you when they think you are making a mistake and will piss you off. But you love each other anyway.

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u/Ngfeigo14 May 12 '22

The US republic is the parent of the French Republic, though. We directly inspired their revolt.

France is older yeah, but their republic(s) might be just a little younger don't you think?

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u/JustifiedTrueBelief May 12 '22

We're the younger sister whose rebellion inspired the older sister to free herself as well.

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u/jumbox May 12 '22

Our most iconic symbol, Statue of Liberty, is a gift from the people of France. Even our fries are French.

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u/epicurean56 May 12 '22

Our best toast is french.

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u/TuckyMule May 12 '22

France, Canada, UK, Australia... These are primary US allies. We've sacrificed for each one, and they've sacrificed for us. So much sacrifice. Can never forget.

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u/GiediOne May 12 '22

Gilbert du Motier, Marquis de Lafayette! 👍👌

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u/Lophius_Americanus May 12 '22

I may be slightly biased. A portion of my ancestors came to the US in the early 1700s as French soldiers and I’ve had the pleasure over the last 20 or so years of spending a decent amount of time enjoying the wine, food, and other enjoyable things available in France. Will say, fuck Parisians, they suck.

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u/Rudy_Colludiani USA May 12 '22

France fucking rocks and I consider them our oldest and finest ally.

We all go through some dogshit walks through the wilderness, but nothing pisses me off more than my fellow Americans shitting on the French.

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u/NEp8ntballer May 12 '22

The US owes France a lot since they helped us to win our independence, but as a US service member it's breaking my heart that Ukraine put skin in the game in Afghanistan and Syria, but we're not putting our own skin in the game with them to fight Russia.

p.s. the UK and France don't get along too well. Possibly because France supported their unruly colonies.

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u/Truestoryfriend May 12 '22

There was a real chance that is putting skin in the game would have cost more Ukraine lives in the long run, but at this point like fuck who knows maybe we should have just gone harder. It’s easy to pile on now that Ukraine is winning, but on feb 25th it was hard to see that Ukraine would be in this spot now

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u/bot138 May 12 '22

That shit goes way back further than the colonies.

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u/l187l May 12 '22

You're comparing wars that lasted 10-20 years... even before the war started, we sent $2.7b before the "special operation" even started. Now we're sending $40b. By the end of the year, we'll probably have sent double russian annual military budget to Ukraine. By the end of the year we'll probably be on par with what we spent in Afghanistan each year. Afghanistan costed around $100b per year by the end. Ukraine will receive at least 75-80% of that if not more.

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u/jctwok May 12 '22

They'll definitely be getting more than that. Most of us have a raging boner for righteous freedom fighters.

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u/PengieP111 May 12 '22

Especially when they are brave AF like the Ukrainians.

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u/Successful_Print_559 May 12 '22 edited May 12 '22

Remember the boner Afghanistan freedom fighters gave us? Back when it was the USSR dying in those hills?

Pepperidge Farm remembers......

Not kink shaming... But like a furry eating Top Ramen every day to allow him to pay off a 50 grand fur suit. Or a simp who bought a 100 dollar jar of gamer girl sweat. We might need to admit we have a problem...

But IDK watching T-series turrets fly through the sky is SSSSSOOOOOO fuckkking hot.

.......So, that day may come; but it is not today.

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u/YWAK98alum May 12 '22

There’s still a moderate non-involvement faction in the US but I don’t think it has even close to a plurality in either main party. The guy that just won the Republican US Senate primary in my state took the “not our problem and not our job to get involved” line, though.

The days of the parties trying to outdo one another in increasing the aid packages probably won’t last, but they also don’t need to last forever. The total outside aid to Ukraine now has given them a defense budget almost the size of Russia’s, and they’re defending a much smaller area. If the non-aligned-movement types gain power in the US, it’ll be January of next year at the earliest. A lot will have happened by then—hopefully including a peace treaty including the restoration of Ukraine’s 2013 borders.

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u/Foe117 May 12 '22

Also note, we are sending weapons that are already bought and paid for from decades of previous budgets, practically an investment for global security being collected. so a 40 billion package is not straight up all fungible currency and won't actually make a sizable dent into the current fiscal year.

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u/Gilclunk May 12 '22

All that stuff is going to be backfilled though , so it still costs.

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u/epicurean56 May 12 '22

Most of it will be backfilled with newer stuff. So the older stock doesn't have to be maintained anymore. So it's still a win-win.

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u/itsyourmomcalling May 12 '22

I agree with point 2. The US spends what? Like 7-8 times as much as the next largest military. So when I see the 33-35-40 billion dollar aid packages I can only assume some or all is diverted from their military budget.

Like the US is basically just saying they were gonna buy this shit for themselves anyways. So why not still buy it, send it to Ukraine and say it's an aid package.

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u/thebusterbluth May 12 '22

That figure can be misleading because of purchasing power parity. China gets more for Chinese currency in China than the US gets with USD in the US, for example.

But yeah we spend a lot of cash.

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u/Aconite_72 May 12 '22

We have to consider the fact that not all of the weapons sent were bought, too. Some were taken out of storage and the only “cost” associated were to give them an overhaul, then pack them up, and airfreight them first class to Ukraine.

The US also sources a lot of Soviet-era equipment from Poland and other ex-Soviet nations for Ukraine. The USD is king there. They can buy a lot of things with it. Far more than buying local in the US.

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u/jctwok May 12 '22

It's very difficult to compare, because Chinese and US military spending is much different. China has a mass of manpower they have to keep fed and paid, while the US has something like 700 overseas bases. I think the VA budget comes from the Pentagon, but pensions aren't included in the Chinese budget. Recent analysis shows the Chinese military budget on par with the US when they attempt to account for all factors.

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u/TuckyMule May 12 '22

That figure can be misleading because of purchasing power parity. China gets more for Chinese currency in China than the US gets with USD in the US, for example.

While that's true, you get what you pay for. The really complicated manufacturing capacity is really only available in the US. Stealth technology is a good example - what makes a jet stealthy isn't hard, the engineering can be found on Google. The material science and manufacturing? That's hard as fuck.

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u/ChairsAndFlaff USA May 11 '22

One should also not discount the past 8 years of joint training on NATO style tactics and command structures. US, CAN, UK all were involved in that, and while it's not as sexy as an artillery piece, it's indispensable. Much of the reason Russia has underperformed so badly comes back to their poor tactics and command inflexibility, lack of a good NCO corps, and so forth.

But none of it -- not the weapons, not the training -- would do a lick of good without Ukraine's morale and desires to defend its homeland. That's what made it work. As we've seen elsewhere in the world, all the advanced weaponry means nothing without the esprit de corps.

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u/socialistrob May 12 '22

lack of a good NCO corps,

Not just “good NCOs” but Russia effectively had no NCOs. After 2014 one of the first things the NATO trainers did was begin work on establishing an NCO corp. This was huge in terms of keeping Ukraine alive for the first few days.

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u/nug4t May 12 '22

sry to ask, what are nco corps?

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u/socialistrob May 12 '22

That’s a good question. They’re “non commissioned officers” basically they’re enlisted men with more experience who act as leaders at the squad level and make sure shit gets done. NCOs allow units to think and act much more independently and work with the officers to accomplish their objectives. Without NCOs every small detail basically has to come from officers and without an officer ordering everything absolutely nothing can get done. If the officer is killed or wounded the entire mission falls apart. In western militaries people really can’t even conceive of operating without NCOs and yet they don’t exist in Soviet doctrine. Given how much of this war has been made up of small squads acting independently I think it’s fair to say that the creation of an NCO corp was a really big deal.

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u/ThrobertBaratheon May 12 '22

Check this out, really interesting article on this point a former General of the US Army in Europe wrote if you have the time.

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u/nug4t May 12 '22

really really nice insight there, thx alot, nice read

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u/xedrac May 12 '22

Agreed. It was good foresight and has made a huge difference. As a US citizen, I always feel a little uncomfortable with these frequent flex posts regarding US aid. Yes I'm very happy my country is stepping up, but I also don't want people to think we're all completely full of ourselves. We're all in this together in support of Ukraine and I am equally happy to ready about how other countries have offered help.

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u/Mental_Medium3988 May 12 '22

zalensky's quote about needing ammo not a ride will be remembered forever because it showed the ukrainians fighting spirit and no doubt boosted morale. as an american im proud to be helping them with out tax dollars. this is the cheapest way to end russias ability to wage war.

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u/Leandrys May 11 '22

Well, a lot of things can be said about America from Time to time but goddamn, when they provide, they do not fake to do so !

Good hunt Ukraine, hope these help regain your territories !

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u/LaxLimbutts May 12 '22 edited May 12 '22

America is a lot like ADHD

We're kinda messy when trying to handle everything at once but if/when that ADHD hyperfocus kicks in (usually it's on one thing), shit gets done fast. This as well as how quickly available the Covid vaccines were to the public, are the most recent examples of this phenomenon

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u/Ronkerjake May 12 '22

First nuke, first man on the moon, next day delivery..

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u/xTraxis May 12 '22

Order a 12x pack of well maintained ICBMs by 7pm and get it tomorrow morning, with free shipping!

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u/glasshoarder May 11 '22

America loves a good war. The right loves the money to be made from the war business and "MERICA!". The left loves supporting democracy and helping a righteous cause. Left also hated Putler with a passion before all this, so that's a bonus.

We will argue about almost everything else, but on that subject, we have consensus.

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u/kkngs May 11 '22

Tucker is working hard on ending that

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u/RexyWestminster USA May 11 '22

Tucker can kiss my pucker

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u/fman1854 May 11 '22 edited May 11 '22

If you ever doubted Americas military might if you ever doubted all those redditors saying American military is far ahead and out classes it’s adversary’s this is the collective power of 3% of Americas military budget and power PER YEAR. I’m not forgetting the other countries that are helping but I’m focusing on just america here on this topic the sheer scope budget and stock of the American war machine is unmatched I’m not saying this as a patriotic American boosting about being numba one! I’m saying it in the sheer fucking power overall is just mind boggling to wrap your head around.

They don’t call America the arsenal of democracy for no reason. You may see disagreements political unrest in America us bitching at each-other but just know when push comes to shove we drop all that internal bullshit and focus on destroying whatever it is that “pushed” us. When it comes to war our enemies our adversary’s and defense we collectively come together faster than you could ever imagine it’s like a on and off switch no war is downtime bickering bored america war time the flip is switched it’s a night and day difference full support for the nation left right wing doesn’t exist in war time just America and it’s Allies. White black Muslim Asian Indian middle eastern alike when it’s war time in this country we are ALL AMERICAN.

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u/SnooRabbits1595 May 12 '22

We only fight amongst ourselves when there’s no definite bad guy to fight externally. Make every American turn their attention from the infighting with your shenanigans and it’s unlikely you’ll live to regret it. 😏

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u/LederhosenUnicorn May 12 '22

That's my theory as to why politics have become so polarized since the 80s. No common enemy to focus on after the cold war so people started looking at each other as potential enemies to drum up their base.

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u/igwaltney3 May 12 '22

Exactly true.

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u/RightWingVisitor May 12 '22

We only fight amongst ourselves when there’s no definite bad guy to fight externally.

Seriously, this is so dead-on right. The day Lend-Lease was passed (and I'm saying this as a right-wing conservative Christian life-long Republican) it made me want to go find the most woke transgender polyamorous liberal atheist in my state and sit down with them and buy them a beer. Because I've actually regained my hope that we as a country are not utterly beyond hope after all. Almost ALL of us American still have the capacity to recognize that some things are just absolutely pure unspeakable evil and at times we have to put aside our differences to focus on that whatever the cost and whatever else needs to wait until later.

Vladimir Putin is that evil. And the Ukrainian people are unspeakably brave and deserve all the freedom and security we have taken for granted.

So what is this going to cost us? Higher taxes? Gas prices? Food prices? Inflation? Maybe even a full blown recession? It would be moral high treason against the sacred blood of the Ukrainians who are sacrificing themselves for the freedom of their children to complain for a moment about any of those trifling things.

Send it. Send it all. Send it now. Keep sending it. Don't stop sending it until Ukraine says "That's enough, you can stop now."

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u/SnooRabbits1595 May 12 '22

I’m quite the non-interventionist “you do you” libertarian type. Hell I’ll have a beer with you and “they/them” any time anyway. Seeing what’s going on over there turned off my pacifist switch & hit my “let slip the dogs of war” button. We’ve got our problems here, but our biggest problem has been not having a real problem to address for too long. Relative to Ukraine right now, we are seeing our minor disagreements and inconveniences are nothing. 🍻

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u/Buelldozer May 12 '22

I wonder where all the Redditors are that I used to see talking about how Russia would clobber NATO and could be in Germany before anyone could stop them?

I swear I was arguing with some of them earlier this year...Hmmm....

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u/fman1854 May 12 '22

Plenty of people anytime you mentioned America and it’s military would challenge you talk about Chinese and Russian “advancements” etc. it’s laughable at this point really. Imagine Russia trying to fight a war across the ocean. Lmao. Neither Russia or China have ANY experience doing so. We excell at logistics aswell not just military might our supply lines are thicker than 5 snickers.

Russia can barely mobilize against its bordering country its at war with let alone fighting across the globe with us here or getting close or ever supplying shit. If it wasn’t for nuclear weapons the world would be a very different place lol.

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u/Classic-Estimate1336 May 12 '22

The national feeling after 9/11 was something else. It seemed that party lines just didn’t matter for a while, it was all focused on who’s ass is responsible, and how much lead poisoning they were going to receive.

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u/fman1854 May 12 '22 Narwhal Salute

I’m a Albanian Muslim immigrant I was in america for 4 years prior to 9/11 happening and after it happened I wanted war and for them to pay for what they did ten fold.

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u/teknoguy May 11 '22

As a US citizen, I'm super damn proud to see weapons from our tax dollars are actually being used in a war about freedom! Слава Україні

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u/SeattleBattles May 11 '22

It's nice to be on the unquestionably good side for once.

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u/leftyghost May 11 '22

It’s those downtimes between world wars where we do mischief.

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u/LefsaMadMuppet May 11 '22

"In a matter of a few weeks, the U.S. has provided Ukraine with more weapons than the entire Ukrainian military budget." -Bart

"So far." -Homer

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u/Sevv2102 May 12 '22

They forgot our defense contractors and weapon makers literally buy politicians AND we just withdrew from a war.

Russia showed they aren’t even a contender as a global superpower, these companies said “How do we get our products into that war-zone to butcher those rust buckets for advertising and some laughs?”.

They invaded a sovereign nation with rusted tanks, zero coordination (or ANY logistics what so ever) and near an election. Both sides want to one-up support for Ukraine (Remember who lines their pockets- those contractors) and we’re probably not even getting serious yet.

This will probably end up worse than Vietnam for Russia, it will be a slaughter of untold portions since Putin knows he’s already dead if he withdrawals.

We only gain/win/profit by supporting Ukraine, literally. Russia fucked around and found out that when we ain’t at war, we’re losing money.

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u/Morwynd78 May 12 '22

The US lost 58,281 men in Vietnam over a period of 8 years.

Russia is on track to surpass that in a matter of months.

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u/AwwEverything May 12 '22

It’s already a lot worse than US’s Vietnam for Russia.

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u/Sevv2102 May 12 '22

We’re not even started! How dare you, we’re gonna send WAY more shit. You ain’t seen a thing, lend lease act will make this Russias Vietnam 10x over.

We have no war to satisfy the defense contractors who lobby the government. They just found a FREE battle-zone to advertise their latest tech and compete against each-other like kids playing with toys.

Aaand the US has so many weapons that what we sent was probably going to be just disposed of because well, we are armed to the teeth.

This is a wet dream for weapons makers. They’re on the right side of history, know its a victory and they are making money. This is just the beginning.

I don’t think Russia realized Americans would literally use them as a training ground before deploying their tech in modern warzones.

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u/Spanish_pop_quiz May 12 '22

I’m happy to see that our 🇨🇦 cousin 🇺🇸 has found a productive hobby.

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u/swichblade22 May 12 '22

We get kind of lost at times but point us towards a real enemy and we get a laser like focus.

We also love us a good underdog story.

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u/___cats___ May 12 '22

Winning as the underdog is the American dream.

Also winning as the projected favorite.

Really, just winning.

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u/An8thOfFeanor USA: bringing you anti-Russian hardware since 1947 May 11 '22

We've been dying for a chance to use all that stuff we made for the Soviets

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u/Terminator7786 May 12 '22

They're getting stuff a lot newer than Cold War weapons

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u/PoniesPlayingPoker May 12 '22

Yeah but it feels fucking good to kick some russain ass after all these years of them mooning the world and taunting. Fuck Putin

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u/tommy2tones321 May 11 '22

The United States of America has a larger Military budget than the next 10 countries combined. More than China, Russia, India, UK, France, Germany all combined. I would hope this truly shows our American might with hardware and logistics. We can supply Ukraine half way around the world better than Russia can along their own border. Russia is full of idiots. Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦

https://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0053_defense-comparison

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u/MightyRez May 11 '22

The USAF is capable to airlift the ENTIRE Australian army in one go

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u/Wickedershelf21 May 12 '22

Austrailia’s habitable area is roughly 760,000 square km. The US has roughly 43 times that. I’d hope our Air Force can airlift their army, they’ve gotta have the capability to airlift our army effectively.

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u/QuiteAffable May 12 '22

Not all in one go. We’re allowed to make at least 2 trips

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u/King-of-Karthadasht May 12 '22

TIL the US airlift capacity and my grocery unloading strategy are very similar.

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u/manifold360 May 11 '22

Another shrimp on the barbie

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u/mzachi May 11 '22

I know many Europeans are still hating on Americans, but Americans never failed them.

3 out of 3 they come for them

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u/covidvaccinator May 12 '22 edited May 12 '22

It was worse in the 2000s and early 2010s. We fucked up with Iraq. A lot of people hated us for that. I was in Europe in 2009, and I could feel it at times. Most of us acknowledge that it was a terrible mistake, and I hope to God we have learned that horrible lesson.

We owe it to the free world to stop Putin in his tracks now. If he is successful, China will be the next to go on the attack. We must show them forcefully that it is not acceptable and that rumors of our demise are greatly exaggerated.

We can’t use our military might when it isn’t warranted and then turn around and not use it when it is.

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u/Jstef06 May 12 '22

America will always do the right thing after it’s exhausted all other options. - Winston Churchill

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u/neuroverdant May 12 '22

US warned everyone before it happened though.

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u/DatStankBooty May 12 '22

Ohhhh heyyyyy Russia. Remember those bounties you put on our troops?

Good luck.

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u/Tristanssj15 USA May 11 '22

We’re the US. We have more bullets than the Gods themselves.

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u/Careful-Ad7788 May 11 '22

Oh, just wait until they’re done training on all the platforms, employ and adapt their own tactics for max effectiveness. The results are going to be devastating…for Russia

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u/MoneyEcstatic1292 May 11 '22

the face you make when you are in a T-64 and you see a M1A2 Abrams turning towards you at the crossroad:

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u/Reaper_twosix May 11 '22

They won’t see it.

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u/Simple-Emphasis9698 May 12 '22

They’re talking about the movie.

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u/Reaper_twosix May 12 '22

Ha! Thanks for the info. What movie? I don’t recall that line.

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u/DaBails May 12 '22

Writers are still writing

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u/loading066 May 12 '22

Excellent commentary...

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u/atlasraven May 11 '22

Be more scared about a new tank that shimmers on the distance and then disappears.

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u/MoneyEcstatic1292 May 11 '22

What truly scares me are the Ukrainian artillery units. Since when do you use artillery as an overcompensated sniping rifle?

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u/atlasraven May 11 '22

How they target with commercial drones is like black magic. They must teach us this new technique.

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u/Simple-Emphasis9698 May 12 '22

“How they target with commercial drones is like black magic.”

They know the terrain. They know exactly what crossroad their drone is looking at, have accurate maps and really hate russians.

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u/MoneyEcstatic1292 May 11 '22

That's not quite it. They have almost no dispersion on their shots. Come on, US artillery has a dispersion of 150m (radius) at maximum range. How can they have like 10m dispersion or less?

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u/RightWingVisitor May 12 '22

We're actually seeing quite a bit of laser-guided rounds. As Americans we're not really used to hearing about this because our war doctrine is:

Step 1: The USAF comes into the war zone and puts every single item the enemy owns that has either wings or rotors on it into a woodchipper. Absolutely NOTHING happens until this is done.

Step 2: Ground assets move forward under skies that are absolutely owned by the USAF in all directions to the horizon and anytime there is any really tough nut to crack, a laser-guided bomb is DROPPED from a plane on whatever you want to erase.

So ever since the Gulf War, American have been hearing "laser-guided precision bombs" and almost none of the noise has been about laser-guided artillery shells. But they've been in heavy development for quite awhile.

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u/Buelldozer May 12 '22

Step 1: The USAF comes into the war zone and puts every single item the enemy owns that has either wings or rotors on it into a woodchipper. Absolutely NOTHING happens until this is done.

Cheese and rice I almost broke myself laughing at that. Thanks!

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u/tommy2tones321 May 11 '22 edited May 12 '22

What takes American Artillery longer to fire is clearance of airspace, up to 30 minutes.

Edit to add: US air forces provide much closer air support than Russian counterparts. They would Be rolling over these guys before the artillery even sets up. Boggles my mind now Russia is leaving these columns exposed

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u/Grizzzly_Adams May 12 '22

closer air support than Russian counterparts

Could I ask the reason why the Russians operate that way? Is it a strategic play or does it have to do with vulnerability/ lack of capability? Without air superiority, it's pretty hard to do much of anything just as you describe. It seems pretty pointless to develop a large air force and not use it aggressively.

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u/tommy2tones321 May 12 '22 edited May 12 '22 Starry

Strategically speaking the intelligence community can firmly say things Russia is incapable of doing. They have next to zero interagency cooperation. The branches of service cannot communicate coherently with one another to be of service. Something the United States does extremely well. Part of the 30 minute delay is the interagency asking air force clear marine air clear army air clear.go go go persay

Secondly the NCO class doesn’t exist, you have only officers and privates, no sergeant’s etc. Career enlisted men training and taking the younger generations to the next stages, this is how the US military complex retains its muscle memory between conflicts. NCO’s are taught to improvise and adapt/overcome if original mission deviated and officers KIA. None of this exists in the Russian army. This is why you have so many high level leadership and generals dying. (Don’t get me started on the fact the Russian air force knocked down the 4g tires their encrypted communication was based on)

Top down the leadership is inept, proves that Putin has been using Stalin era tactics and eliminating any serious leadership in the military. Surrounded by yes men in his version of the “kgb” he was told the Ukrainian country would roll over. His original invasion force consisted of conscripts with 3 days supplies. This tells the intelligence community that his intel is likely propaganda based and not based on reality

Russia has terrible logistics, they are struggling to maintain the supply lines to the troops along their own border. A. Again just terrible execution and B. We are learning that Belarus has sabotaged a large amount of shipments towards Ukraine.

Proving that Russia is really just rotten and inept to its core. Paper tiger. This is alarming for China who has the same military structure.

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u/Simple-Emphasis9698 May 12 '22

“Since when do you use artillery as an overcompensated sniping rifle?”

Since Ukrainians got their hands on some pretty accurate cannons.

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u/volbeathfilth May 11 '22

Huntsville Alabama says "you are welcome". Better stuff in development.

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u/RowWeekly May 12 '22

That was BEFORE Lend-Lease passed. Looks like we are about to provide an additional $40 billion in assistance. I hope that goes toward keeping Ukraine's economy afloat.

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u/socialistrob May 12 '22

The 40 billion does involve financial aid for the Ukrainian government in order to keep their economy going. It also involves humanitarian aid in addition to the military aid.

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u/semnomic May 11 '22

Look how well they did without it !! They did get jumped early on but beat them back before a lot of the long range stuff arrived !! Can’t see how they can lose now 🤷‍♂️ even Zelensky is taking firmer stance + looks 5 year younger since last week 🇺🇦😂😎🍺🍺🍺

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u/MikeinDundee May 11 '22

And that is how you do logistics!

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u/HappySkullsplitter May 11 '22

Enjoy! There's more where that came from

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u/MeanAmigo May 11 '22

And more to come (I hope).

So you guys stay safe, and stay alive, and we'll make sure you keep offing them orcs in large numbers.

Stay safe!

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u/TranquilSeaOtter May 11 '22

More is 100% coming. Biden asked for 33 billion and Congress is giving 40 billion instead.

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u/atlasraven May 11 '22

Nothing like a common enemy to make Congress actually do something constructive.

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u/SnooRabbits1595 May 12 '22

Lmao, Congress tacked on another $7B for good measure. This is how badly Russia fucked itself. If Putin keeps this up we’ll hit “put a man on the moon” velocity of effort in no time.

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u/ACertainKindOfStupid May 11 '22

‘MERICA 🦅 🇺🇸

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u/NeededHumanity May 12 '22

The way I’ve always looked at the USA is this, its arrogant, a patriotic society that I’ll never understand, fake and Hollywood, and a tad on the brute side, but underneath all of that we have great things and people, and one hell of a military I like on my side

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u/HereticalCatPope May 12 '22

There are far more people here who’d give you a hot meal and a place to sleep. We are a country of contradictions, we have problems, we have morons, but I think the vast majority are kind people who hate suffering. Despite the last several years, we will be a melting pot.

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u/fgk55555 May 12 '22 edited May 12 '22

As a U.S. citizen and defense industry guy, this is the best way to spend our money on defense. Anything that's not bolted down or an F-35/22 should be moving to Ukraine. If I was dictator for a day I'd move every Abrams in storage to Poland and start training Ukrainian tank crews en masse. Any weapon system that can be moved by truck or plane should be delivered as far as is safe to be handed off, and humanitarian aid should be doled out in equal proportion so Ukraine can focus on saving their butts. Ukraine is doing the west a massive favor in knocking Russia's military out. Ukraine is defending Ukraine, but they're also defending all of Europe and the U.S.' Atlantic interests. There's no better defense investment I can think of.

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u/prometheus_drugged May 11 '22

Cause the US has a fucking surrrrrrpluuuuuss of weapons.

I think some people are really happy this stuff is just seeing use lol

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u/Sevv2102 May 12 '22

This was probably some shit they couldn’t fit in some rural warehouse lmao. We haven’t gotten started yet- our defense contractors must be having a hard on over this.

They profit and advertise their products whilst being on the right side of history. They also are able to literally bribe our government.

They saw Russia getting spanked and probably decided it was quite profitable to support Ukraine because they know Russia is not able to counter even older units.

Its the PERFECT storm as a weapons maker: Free advertising, Product Testing in live combat; on the right side of history, before election AND the enemy is so underarmed its almost guaranteed profit (and contracts with Ukraine when all is over!).

Americans not at war means we’re NOT profiting off war. Russia kind of forgot we’re always at war and when we’re not we have extreme surpluses of freedom.

Enough to share.

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u/Karma-Kosmonaut May 11 '22

The latest package of security assistance to Ukraine comes in the form of a drawdown, meaning that the White House has authorized the Pentagon to go to its arms stockpiles and get the weapon systems from there. This is the ninth equipment drawdown from the inventories of the U.S. military since last August.

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u/Charlie71_2 May 12 '22

We're just getting started, fuck Russia, Glory to Ukraine 🇺🇦.

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u/Xx69stayinskool420xX May 12 '22

All of these weapons were designed from the ground up to crush Cold War Soviet equipment, so this is perfect. Replacing them all is hardly even a thought - every Soviet tank that gets destroyed is a Javelin that we no longer need.

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u/poloniumTacos May 12 '22

US is the Amazon of warfare. We will ship a war to you within 2 days with American membership!

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u/MicIrish May 11 '22

Well, technically, so has Russia.

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u/Presto_27 May 12 '22

And we won’t stop sending them, many of us have been itching to fuck up Russia for the longest time, this is next best thing.

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u/Craygor May 12 '22

What the Americans and British did with the Ukrainian forces right after Russian annexed Crimea was the HUGE game changer. They taught the Ukrainians how to fight like a western military with combined arms and developed a large professional NCO corps. This is what stopped the Russians initial invasion, now they have modern, efficient weapon systems to go with their training.

Slava Ukraini

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u/SteadfastEnd May 11 '22

And that's only a fraction of what could have been sent. If the US had been totally serious, it could have sent more weapons to Ukraine than the entire Russian budget.

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u/MoneyEcstatic1292 May 11 '22

Russia has destroyed almost 100% of the Ukrainian military equipement. See their mistake?

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u/kuda-stonk May 12 '22

When your new friend shows you the 'toy room' and you are not disappointed...

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u/Greenempress May 12 '22

That’s right we are the fucking USA and we don’t wave around our big nuke power dick

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u/noyrb1 May 12 '22

🇺🇦🇺🇸

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u/BMD_Lissa May 12 '22

UA's defiance really tickled the US's soft spot for fucking up RU.

"Oh, you wanna kill Russians? We've been itching to do that for years, here's a blank cheque and an arm's warehouse, knock yourself out"

"And when that one's empty, there's hundreds more, just ask"