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A Finnish general's kind proposal for Putin in the light in the light of ongoing Russian aggression in Ukraine News

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u/OgreWithanIronClub May 16 '22 Starry

I hope we don't have to go there, but if Russia decides to attack they will pay for each meter. Finnish military is pretty specifically designed to grind the Russian army to dust before they get anywhere near the larger cities. Why do people think Finland has a line of garrison right down the middle, it's not to prevent Sweden from invading.

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u/VoliBeast May 16 '22 Take My Energy

But if Sweden invade it would be the last thing they expected.

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u/OgreWithanIronClub May 16 '22

That is true, maybe we should keep an eye on the Swedes.

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u/Grauvargen Sweden May 16 '22

We've come to reclaim East Sweden. Please do not resist.

/s

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u/ThePancakerizer May 16 '22

Taking "Finlands sak är vår" a bit too literally

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u/sharpshooter999 May 16 '22

You thought it was Russia, but it was me! DIO!! SWEDEN!!

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u/Rideass May 16 '22 Wholesome

Sweden must go in and protect the Swedish speakers of Finland from being bullied by the Finnish speakers.

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u/_Nonni_ Finland May 16 '22

We are prepared to call them gay peters in their own language. (Yes I studied 4 years for this specialisation)

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u/Larping_Rioter May 16 '22

We need to de-eurovision Sweden.

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u/Roundcouchcorner May 16 '22

Yeah I’m sitting in Miami and I’m almost 100% sure South America is coming for us soon.

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u/karnstan May 16 '22

Finlands saker är våra

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u/ImpracticallySharp May 16 '22

Vi visste bara inte att de hade flera!

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u/Wandatoaster May 16 '22

Finland är vårt

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u/Colspex May 16 '22

We want your clothes, your winter boots and your Lapin Kulta!

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u/MotorAdvance8966 May 16 '22

Thanks for the /s I was really worried that you would conquer Finland for a second

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u/juicius May 16 '22

I've heard this saying that Swedes will never give in to Russian demands until every single sacrifice that can possibly be made has been made by the Fins.

Jokes aside, strategically, having a strong buffer between the Russia and you is always nice so Sweden will have no reason to invade Finland.

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u/TheBirminghamBear May 16 '22 hehehehe

"The Swedish people shall never surrender! If the Russians invade, the Finnish shall fight them on the landing grounds, the Finnish shall fight them in the fields and the streets, the Finnish shall fight them in the hills. The Finnish shall never surrender. And if they do, we're willing to talk terms."

-The Swedes.

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u/LisaMikky May 16 '22

😅😅😅

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u/Sember May 16 '22

Sweden will fight to the last Finn!

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u/Memory_Less May 16 '22

It would be a very dumb move.

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u/Sad-Cranberry-4311 May 16 '22

Eh. We’d get as far as Åland and get distracted by the tax free booze. You need not worry.

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u/DKN19 May 16 '22

I'm imagining the Swedes challenging the Finns to a hockey game with annexation on the line.

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u/Taoistandroid May 16 '22

Gotta keep an eye on those swedes, if you don't, they'll sweep your cities and replace everything with Ikea furniture.

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u/project23 May 17 '22 edited May 18 '22

(looks around tiny apartment filled with Ikea furniture) I'VE BEEN INVADED BY THE SWISS! SWEDES! (I got into a hurry and smashed by demonyms, sry)

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u/[deleted] May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

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u/karsje May 16 '22

Truly evil,

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u/Dabrinko May 16 '22

We just want your Lonkero!

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u/ShortRound89 May 16 '22

I'm sure we can trade some Lonkero for a few CV90s

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u/IveNeverUnderstoodIt May 16 '22

No one expects the Swedish Inquisition!

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u/L0rdCrims0n May 16 '22

Damn! Now I have to go down & delete my comment. Well played!

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u/Snoo_17284 May 16 '22

No one expects a Swedish acquisition.

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u/rythmicbread May 16 '22

Truly. Who wants to be next to Russia? Safer to invade Norway

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u/StalkTheHype May 16 '22

Also Safer because instead of Simo we'd face Læffy, who is far more merciful.

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u/OrangeJuiceKing13 May 16 '22

Their roadway's around the border specifically take meandering routes and bottleneck instead of being straight shots to cities. From what I've read ever bit of roadway is pre sighted in for artillery too..

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u/BubbleJoylax May 16 '22

We also have no big roads going east-west so the enemy can't use them to push deeper into Finland. All our bridges are built so they are fast and easy to blow up and roads can also be made unusable by the invader. Every apartment building has a bomb shelter. Under Helsinki there is an underground city of shelters and tunnels.

Our whole infrastructure is built with possible war with Russia in mind!

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u/Reverse2057 May 16 '22

That's insane. That's some major commendations due for the people responsible for planning so far ahead. Is there any sort of articles or documentary videos about this I can read or watch? I think it would be endlessly fascinating to watch the planning of protection against potential war with Russia.

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u/shuipz94 May 16 '22

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u/f12016 May 16 '22

That is insane. Wow - as a swed I'm going to Finland if the Russian comes.

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u/Demolition_Mike May 16 '22

Finland might be well defended against land invasions, but I've never seen a country's military so specialized in sinking Russian ships as Sweden's military is.

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u/OgreWithanIronClub May 16 '22

That makes sense as the only way Russia could do anything to Sweden with out going trough Finland is trough air or sea. Though Finland also has quite impressive coastal artillery.

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u/Demolition_Mike May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

Well, you do arm yourself against the most likely threat

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u/PVgummiand May 16 '22

With just three years between the videos they've added room for 200,000 extra people down there. That's mighty impressive.

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u/cheapph May 16 '22

There was a recent cnn (?) video where they got shown some of the Helsinki bunkers. There’s an Olympic sized swimming pool in one

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u/BubbleJoylax May 16 '22

The Winter War and Continuation War were big trauma for our nation, and we never wanted to endure such terror, hence the constant preparation.

I think it has also to do with army integration in our society, most men have served so it's easy to co-ordinate with the military.

Not sure if I can recommend any documentaries, most stuff I mentioned earlier is just common knowledge or documented in finnish, and most documentaries I've come across in english are about our nature or Winter War!

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u/crazy_dudes May 16 '22

For real, I'd totally be down to watch this.

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u/HuaRong May 16 '22

Nice try, Russian! We're on to your tricks!

/s if needed

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u/abletofable May 16 '22

Not insane at all - some good hard practical thinking about possible future scenarios. The "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me".

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u/grendelone May 16 '22

People talk about Ukraine having prepared for a Russian invasion since 2014.

The Finns have been preparing for a Russian invasion since 1940 ...

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u/OgreWithanIronClub May 16 '22

Preparing for the Russian invasion has been and is quite a large part of Finnish culture in a way we stills have national service when most countries haven't in years.

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u/MonkeyThrowing May 16 '22

Damn. NATO should join Finland.

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u/Gamer_Mommy May 16 '22

And here I am being called a Russophobe for simply being Polish. Something doesn't add up...

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u/Jormungandr000 May 16 '22

Oh, I thought that's where all the secret underground rave parties were occurring.

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u/ionstorm66 May 16 '22

That's training. Troops can operate for 12+ hours under constant shelling, mix of pitch black and bright flashing lights.

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u/pornographometer May 16 '22

Hello, I'd like to enlist in the Finnish Army.

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u/daripious May 16 '22

You'd have to learn Finnish and no one wants that.

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u/Animal40160 May 17 '22

Will they take a firstborn instead?

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u/verdatum May 16 '22

So long as they are kept supplied with brightly colored pacifiers.

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u/ionstorm66 May 16 '22

That's where they keep the Pervitin.

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u/Flaky-Fellatio May 16 '22

Yeah, Russia would get wrecked if they tried to invade Finland. Finland is a wealthy country with a long, bloody history with Russia that has had decades to prepare for this exact threat. They're going to get hosed with top-tier tech and highly entrenched fortifications.

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u/booksgamesandstuff May 16 '22

Old joke in Finland about this… ‘The Russians are invading again! We are just a small country, where will we put all their bodies?’ Not sure of the source, but I like their attitude.

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u/SheridanVsLennier May 16 '22

I've heard it as "Our country is so small, where will we find room to bury you all?"

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u/PassivelyInvisible May 16 '22

Time to make a few sunflower fields then. Russians won't mind donating the fertilizer

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u/OnyxTeaCup May 16 '22

Russia keeps picking s-tier enemies and it’s hilarious

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u/Finito-1994 May 16 '22

Are they S tier enemies or is Russia just not as big as we thought? Like some animals puff out their hair to appear bigger as an intimidation tactic but they’re not as big a threat.

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u/ShadowJames07132 May 16 '22

Not only that, but with the British guarantee of independence, Russia would be against a nuclear power aswell.

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u/lostparis May 16 '22

with the British guarantee of independence

Boris Johnson's words are not to be trusted. He lies about everything. He is the sort of man who'll says he'll buy you dinner and run off just as the bill arrives.

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u/Alteredbeast1984 May 16 '22

Is that The Salpa Line?

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u/p_tu May 16 '22

Just commenting here that no Finnish general would say such comments, especially in an interview. Which they didn’t in the article either. What is this bs now?

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u/Brandon2874 May 16 '22

When was the last time a Russian military invasion went well (vs achieved success)?

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u/AquaTheUseless May 16 '22

2014 when Putin sent the little green men to Crimea

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u/Brandon2874 May 16 '22

Fair, Georgia had similar communication issues and was a poor performance for a superpower. Chechnya was an embarrassment for casualties, as was Afghanistan.

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u/AquaTheUseless May 16 '22

superpower

You mean a giant banana republic with nukes?

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u/RoofiesColada May 16 '22

*gas station

  • John McCain

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u/briber67 May 16 '22

Gas station...

run by the mafia...

with nukes.

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u/Mujokan May 16 '22

Goodfellas would have had a different ending.

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u/CockTortureCuck May 16 '22

This kid was great. They used to call him Spitshine Vladdy, I swear to God! Now he'd make your shoes look like fuckin' mirrors, 'scuse my language. He was terrific, he was the best. He made a lot of money too, ah na zdarovje

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u/oolongmatchajasmine May 16 '22

Now go home and grab your fucking shinebox

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u/moeburn May 16 '22

PUMP JOCKEY

"No dad, I sell petrol and petrol accessories"

WORKS FOR TIPS

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u/sharpshooter999 May 16 '22

Remember when Republicans hated Russians with a burning passion instead being their lapdogs?

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u/someguyonaboat May 16 '22

Pepperridge farms remembers.

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u/Yeranz May 16 '22

Well that was before the Russians became their campaign managers.

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u/NoPeach180 May 16 '22

That was Putin's greatest feat. Just bribe the western politicians, hack and conquer them that way. He should have stuck with that plan and he would have likely won. Now everybody loses. Hopefully we are left with livable earth.

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u/Ignash3D Lithuania May 16 '22

He would've dead before achieving seeing any benefits, that tactic works, but only for huge spans if time.

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u/my_pants_are_on_FlRE May 16 '22

more like a mafia state.

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u/Brandon2874 May 16 '22

poor performance for a superpower

Perception of their performance in the conflict (falls in successful, but didn't go well column imo).

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u/The_Phaedron Ukraine May 16 '22

banana republic

potato republic

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u/physicomorphic May 16 '22

Hey at least bananas would be renewable

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u/MelodicSalt9589 May 16 '22

Afghanistan ended an embarrassment to everyone who went near it

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u/zombie_girraffe May 16 '22

The Graveyard of Empires.

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u/fishers86 May 16 '22

There was nothing special about Afghanistan that defeated the US though. We defeated ourselves through stupidity and greed. We accomplished our goal of ousting the taliban and ending AL qaeda's permissive operating environment very early on. And then instead of having a SOF regional task force focus on bin laden we decided that every single military unit we have needed to show off the toys they hadn't been able to yet at that point. We mired ourselves down. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory

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u/MrDude_1 May 16 '22

I dont think there has to be anything special. If you have people, the generally available modern civilian technology, and reasonable firearms, you can be a significant force for any military.
Most of the cool weapons they have are for attacking other countries, but when you break up into just a population that is armed, its extremely hard to overcome them all.

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u/MelodicSalt9589 May 16 '22

I personally think they whole America war strategy in Afghanistan was a dick move. Communist taking Afghanistan is way better than using extremism to beat Communism. Once you bow a seed of extremism in a society, the society is fucked up for many years to come. I can say this because I'm from Pakistan and we have been suffering this issue of extremism because of our army's part in that war

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u/Polar_Reflection May 16 '22

Yep. We created the Taliban by arming the Mujahadeen against the Soviets

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u/MelodicSalt9589 May 16 '22

You also ended up placing an Islamist dictator in Pakistan. The guy who supported the whole war using Pakistan as base. Probably worst thing to happen in our and Afghan history. I don't know how both countries will even recover from it. But I hope they do

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u/JoshAllensPenis69 May 16 '22

We weren’t really defeated in Afghanistan. The held the country and could have for the foreseeable future with little to no casualties. Fort hood was a more dangerous station for US troops than Kabul for the past decade. The Taliban knew not to duck with the Us troops anymore. We just kind of got bored and figured out that the government we were trying to set up there was just never going to catch on.

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u/SeattleResident May 16 '22

Not to mention the US did what it sat out to do. Kill off AQ leadership and get some revenge in the process. People seem to think the Taliban were the actual enemy of the US when they weren't. They were just a roadblock that were harboring AQ at the time but still not the actual enemy the US was after. People continually think the Taliban are AQ and vice versa.

Overall the entire operation was a success from most standpoints. Went in, ousted AQ leadership, dismantled them for the most part where they are an after thought in the region, killed a lot of Afghans to tout those war numbers, stuck around, tried to nation build (which wasn't part of the original mission anyways), realize said nation building would never work in the region, left while suffering very few casualties when compared to your enemy and the local population. On top of this the United States economy kept continually growing the entire time. Compare that to the USSR which saw the Afghan war help cripple their country and be a factor in the fall of the USSR.

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u/neogod May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

I've never understood why people don't see this. If you control a nation and as soon as you leave someone else takes it over in a few weeks, you were defeated? I mean, if you consider that the goal was to push out extremists and prop up a democratic government, that was done 20 years ago. There was an insurgency, yes, but there was not one area of the country that wasn't ultimately controlled by the US after the first month of the war. It's like people are saying that Paris was never lost to the Nazis during WW2 because after they left the allies gained control again, (For the record I'm not comparing the US to the Nazis, I'm just using a well known example of an occupying force that fairly easily took over an area). For an actual example of failure look at Vietnam... the US never defeated the North Vietnamese and controlled the whole country for decades, like they did in Adghanistan. That was an actual defeat.

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I shouldn't say just the US, as there were, (I believe), 36 countries that helped the US take over and secure Afghanistan. The point was that the Taliban never once defeated NATO forces, the only reason they are in control now is because all NATO nations left.

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u/xabulba May 16 '22

Even the Mongols didn't stick around too long in Afghanistan.

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u/Ravmagn May 16 '22

The mongols topppled the khwarezmid empire in 3 years and controlled large parts of Afghanistan directly and indirectly (through a vassal state) for over 100 years - according to 10 minutes of reading wiki at least.

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u/xabulba May 16 '22

through a vassal state

Kind of implies they didn't stick around.

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u/CydeWeys May 16 '22

No need to waste their top guys on mediocre land when vassalage works.

The Mongols, the Romans, and many of the other largest empires in history used vassal states to great effect.

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u/DunwichCultist May 16 '22

Sometimes client states were of much greater value than just having another territory to occupy. For centuries North Africa was a prized source of light cavalry auxiliaries for Roman campaigns.

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u/banefan1 May 16 '22

Alexander the Great tried his hand as well.

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u/my-name-is-puddles May 16 '22

While he had some of his toughest battles there, it's not like he failed... After he died the region went to Seleucus as part of the Seleucid Empire, until the Greek rulers declared independence and formed a kingdom called Bactria which would exist for 150 years and also had kind of a successor state called the Greco-Indian Kingdom for another century or two.

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u/Punaholic May 16 '22

Two humped camels are called "Bactrian"

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u/my-name-is-puddles May 16 '22

Yeah, they're named after the region.

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u/bucephalus26 May 16 '22

I wouldn't say the Soviet-Afghan war was too embarrassing. They lost 14k men over a 9 year period, fighting against western-armed Mujahideen.

Still bad considering being a super power back then, but not terrible, ESPECIALLY, compared to the Finnish war or this war.

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u/3thoughts May 16 '22

Yeah, I wouldn’t really trust those numbers. I imagine a lot of deaths were officially reported as “training accidents”.

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u/Corgi_Koala May 16 '22

I mean, casualties aren't the only way to define embarassing. They didn't lose a lot of men relatively, but they lost a ton of equipment and after nearly 10 years there they withdrew without having achieved their goal.

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u/jasduhuhwwa May 16 '22

Chechnya basically won. Russia almost has no say in how it's run, as long as Kadyrov helps out militarily. He was a rebel warloard that just turned coat.

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u/jaqueass May 16 '22

I disagree. Putin’s empire building approach has been that it doesn’t matter whether Russia has direct control of a region or not, only that it is subservient to Moscow. Kadyrov has been an ideal tool for them, unfortunately.

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u/glitterlys May 16 '22

Agreed. This is what would happen to Ukraine if they lose the war. It could hardly be called "basically winning".

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u/Morgrid May 16 '22

poor performance for a superpower.

Russia was never a superpower.

The Soviet Union was one.

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u/BrainOnLoan May 16 '22

I think there only ever have been three super powers the way the term is used. (Unless you start doing weird stuff like applying it to the Mongols or the Spanish Empire).

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u/5PQR May 16 '22

When the term was originally coined it referred to the USA, the USSR, and the British Empire, but tbh in my experience scholars of related fields dropped the British Empire bit and made it a post-WWII concept, making the USA and USSR the only superpowers and relegating Britain back to "great" power status.

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u/canceroussky May 16 '22

I hate when people call Russia a superpower. They are not. There is literally only one superpower by definition in the world. It is the US. China is expected to become a superpower by 2025 but at the moment they are not. Russia isn't even close to meeting the standards of a superpower

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u/CptCheerios May 16 '22

I wouldn't call slowly drying out the land and turning into a desert because you took an island whose only source of fresh water was a canal in the country you took it from a success

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u/baz303 May 16 '22

Noooooo! Those wherent russians. Just random unknown men speaking russian without insignia but with current russian military gear! Dont you read your weekly propaganda?

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u/CGHJ May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

Finland, 1939.

Actually it started very much like the Ukraine war isgoing now, a bunch of plucky and resourceful Finns pushed the invading Russians out of their country, and there was much rejoicing. The Russians came back with artillery and laid waste to the part of Finland they wanted, and they got that part of Finland, it is part of Russia today. and, unlike the rest of Finland, it is a shit hole.

Meanwhile, in the present day, I had the pleasure of serving with Finns in Bosnia in 1997, Also Swedes, Norwegians, Danes, and Polish troops. The polish troops were there because the wall had come down some years before, and they wished to join NATO. It is ironic to me that they got to be in NATO so many years before the Finns and Swedes.

The base I was at was actually run by the Danes, Finns and Swedes, and it was the nicest base in Bosnia. All of the bases run by us Americans were awful muddy hellholes.

All of them, every single soldier I met of all those nationalities, were intelligent, gracious, kind, competent and well trained. And they were allowed to wear trimmed beards. Which we were not, and as Americans would often tell them that we were jealous of the fact that they got to do that. And they would graciously say that if a firefight came, they would want Americans to be in the foxhole with them because we were the best trained fighters. All I can say is I will be very glad to have them with us in NATO, both of those countries are power hitters that will make that alliance much much stronger. If Putin ever had any thought that he could take another inch of Finland, it is now gone. Because if he tried, they would get that part of Finland that they lost back, and make it nice again.

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u/JesusWuta40oz May 16 '22

Well technically Russia won but if Finland had been international backing like Urkraine currently is, the outcome would have been different. The Finns seriously messed them up all the same.

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u/workedog May 16 '22

The poor performance of the Red Army when invading Finland (150,000 dead and 200,000 wounded in 105 days) is ultimately what led Hitler to believe an invasion of the Soviet Union could be successful. Let's hope that history doesn't repeat itself, on this point.

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u/JesusWuta40oz May 16 '22

Well the large difference being that Finland saw its limitations and its strengths and adjusted its thinking. Since the 1960's they have built a vast network of bunker projects that can protect 80 percent of its population. They even use some of them today for parking garages, sports clubs..even swimming pools. Not to mention the Finnish Armed Forces aren't some pushover. They have national service so its general population is already trained as soldiers. They have modern weaponry and have trained on end in a defensive posture for its home territory. If Russia wants to start a conventional war with Finland they can go try it but not for nothing I wouldn't want to be going in there trying to take their country. It would be a prolonged bloodbath and even if you somehow managed to take the country..you'll be dealing with partisans movement that would send you packing after enough damage.

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u/Vrakzi May 16 '22

The Finns are for reals what the US preppers and gun militias dream of being.

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u/JesusWuta40oz May 16 '22

Their bunker system is very impressive.

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u/MagnificentCat May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

2014?

Depends on what you mean but while in a bad state, Russia has rarely suffered this badly. You might call Syria a success from their goals, otherwise you might need to go back to WW2.

However - I agree that the Russian army sucks now, but few seem to have expected it to suck this hard.

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u/Value-Tiny May 16 '22

WW2 wasn't Russia but Soviets. Huge difference. Heck, there were even 200k Polish troops in Soviet army that took Berlin.

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u/pagit May 16 '22

1939 where the Soviet Union signed a pact with The Nazis for each to occupy half of Poland so the Soviet Union can invade Finland?

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u/directstranger May 16 '22

Also Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Romania

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u/Shandrahyl May 16 '22

Also even after the german units werent on max strengh anymore, had low supplies and massive Fuel shortage still every battle was won only "in blood".

Just check for example the battle of Kursk. German army was already pretty besten at this point. Russians knew about the attack and prepared. Fielded more then twice as many men, tanks and planes and still lost twice as many.

Like in the Winter war it was a "soviet Victory" after all but the amount of lifes payed for it dont speak "military Power". Its just very fertile women.

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u/Wemorg May 16 '22

Quantity is also a Quality.

Joseph Stalin

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u/Good_old_Marshmallow May 16 '22

Thank you, Russia of today is all to willing to claim credit for all the Soviet accomplishments but that was a different nation in a hundred different ways.

It would be like if the US collapsed and the south plus Texas formed a new bloc and claimed that they won WW2.

But also the Soviets did stomp the Nazis

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u/Value-Tiny May 16 '22

Such claim by Texans would be closer to the truth, as they are Americans. Ukrainians, Belarusans, Balts and others are not and never been Russian nation.

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u/Etaec May 16 '22

Someone said it was a bad military and I argued it can't be, then this happened and I got a lot of egg on my face.

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u/murphykills May 16 '22

even when you go back to ww2, they weren't really winning with strategic excellence or cutting edge technology, they just had a lot of soldiers to keep the fight going and they lost an insane number of them in the process.

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u/Der_genealogist May 16 '22

Hungary 1956, Germany 1953 and, arguably, Czehoslovakia 1968. And, as others mentioned, 2014

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u/wegwerfacc4android May 16 '22

Germany 1953

What invasion? Germany was already occupied since 1945.

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u/RiPPeR69420 May 16 '22

Manchuria in 1945. The initial invasion of Afghanistan was quite successful, the occupation wasn't. Manchuria however was always a butcher and bolt style operation, where the Soviets killed the Japanese, looted everything they could and left.

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u/CottMain May 16 '22

When they took over Chelsea

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u/Xander_PrimeXXI May 16 '22

Berlin?

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u/GroggBottom May 16 '22

If losing 15% of your population is being successful.

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u/Omaestre May 16 '22

2nd Chechen war, their first invasion of Ukraine under Lenin.

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u/axegon0 Bulgaria 🇧🇬 May 16 '22

Yes, you don't want to mess up with a nation that chases out bears with broomsticks.

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u/Cadaverific_1 May 16 '22

Someone wake up Simo Hāya

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u/11OldSoul11 May 16 '22

If you go to Finland you are "Finnished".......one could say

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u/artgreendog May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

I don’t understand why Russia doesn’t learn.

🇺🇦 Ukraine 💙💛

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1700: Sweden
1799: Netherlands
1813: Netherlands
1918: Chernihiv, Ukraine
1920: Poland
1921: Georgia
1939: Finland, Poland, Ukraine
1940: Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania
1944: Lithuania
1945: Poland, China (Japanese occupied)
1956: Hungary
1968: Czechoslovakia
1979: Afghanistan
1990: Moldova
1991: Georgia
1994: Chechnya
1999: Chechnya
2008: Georgia
2014: Crimea
2015: Syria
2022: Ukraine

How unlucky the Russians are.

Putin would not stop if he won. He would keep moving westward to the Baltic countries; Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania just like Mikhail Borisovich Khodorkovsky said (he is an exiled Russian oligarch, now residing in London).

Putin is a dictator but most importantly, he is a narcissist (I think all dictators are narcissists). This bully has gotten his way too long, he went forward with this ‘special military operation’ realizing only a quick win (in his deluded thinking), and in dealing with a narcissist in the position he is in, this war is not going to end quickly without him thinking he’s won.

As a grandma and in dealing with narcissists in my own family, there’s no reasoning with them, they are continually deceptive, and once they are emotionally triggered, they cannot pull out of it. They have no empathy, they always have to be right, they are perpetually stuck in pre-adolescent thinking, and have no forethought of the outcome.

Putin must be stopped. Putin is a classic narcissist, egomaniac, and a psychopath. Amongst too many other evil, aggressive, and violent narcissistic dictators: Lenin, Mussolini, Hitler, Amin…

Narcissists are devoid of love, honor, insight, fairness.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder:
• grandiose sense of self-importance
• preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, or beauty
• belief they’re special and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people or institutions
• need for excessive admiration
• sense of entitlement
• interpersonally exploitative behavior
• lack of empathy
• envy of others or a belief that others are envious of them
• demonstration of arrogant and haughty behaviors or attitudes

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u/LolAtAllOfThis USA May 16 '22

I don’t understand why Russia doesn’t learn.

Narcissists like Putin don't respect boundaries. They see them as a challenge.

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u/artgreendog May 16 '22

Yes, absolutely.

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u/Creative-Improvement May 16 '22

Yup, you don’t get to be in his position and not be completely fine with screwing / killing / torturing people over at that point. That’s why there is little chance his next in line are any different (but you never know)

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u/Independent_Jelly91 May 16 '22

Can I ask which war it was in 1951 Russia-Yugoslavia? First time hearing it and I was born in Yugoslavia

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u/el__duder1n0 May 16 '22

That quote sounds made up. Source I'm Finnish

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u/superkickstart May 16 '22

It's probably made up by bloomberg or a old quote taken out of context. The quote can't be found in the actual article. There's some mention about Finnish generals a decade ago. This is just a opinion piece and not a interview.

Here's the article https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-03-20/russia-invades-ukraine-lessons-of-finland-s-winter-war-against-soviets

twats https://twitter.com/opinion/status/1526150196916326401

https://twitter.com/stavridisj/status/1507013809617076228

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u/Xarthys May 16 '22

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u/NearCanuck May 16 '22

Thanks, from those of us that are Twi-curious

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u/Leela_bring_fire May 17 '22

Figured as much. I really enjoy this sub but people really need to be mindful of what they read on here (and online in general). I worry that we get as much propaganda as the Russian people sometimes.

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u/itsepaesuus May 16 '22

yes, would like a source on this one, it doesnt sound right.

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u/Tikka25196-1930 May 16 '22

The misquoted legend comes from the 70s. During cold war. Finnish infantry general Adolf Ehrnrooth was visiting England. One British general was demanding to know how many occupying russian soldiers there are in Finland. Ehrnrooth acknowledged that the approximate number was -"couple of hundreds of thousands" British general demanded to know where they wete stationed? Ehrnroot replied: In the depht of 2 meters along our eastern border.

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u/itsepaesuus May 16 '22

thank you!

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u/SemperSisukas May 16 '22

This!

Was going to write the same, but good that you wrote it up.

That quote is based on Ehrnrooths saying.

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u/EvidentlyEmpirical May 16 '22

Hey, as a US guy - welcome to NATO. Glad to have you. :)

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u/itsepaesuus May 16 '22

i call BS on this. sounds like some power tripping shitposter on twitter, not a finnish general. source, am finnish and this is not how we usually shitpost

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u/shuipz94 May 16 '22

From what I've seen, Finnish shitposting involves cat ears and your prime minister.

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u/itsepaesuus May 16 '22

this guy gets it

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u/socialistrob May 16 '22

There is no citation to an actual Finnish general saying this in the current crisis. It’s complete BS.

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u/JupiterQuirinus May 16 '22 Bravery

No posts without sources.

Post links to sources so they can be verified, not screenshots.

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u/cykelpedal May 16 '22

There are no sources as this is made up. This "citation" paraphrased has been floating around for decades, attributed to more or less prominent Finnish figures.

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u/Anticitizen-Zero May 16 '22

Are you surprised a dedicated propaganda account is regularly posting this kind of stuff?

And before people come at me I support Ukraine and want Putin to go away by whatever means necessary. I don’t support propaganda and disinformation, especially when it misrepresents a country.

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u/VoR_Mom Trolljaeger May 16 '22

u/thaigk mod glare where's my source ^

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u/ponakka May 16 '22

I haven't heard about this in finnish media. It surely would have been headlines if it would have been true. We have different narrative here than that. So most likely i think that this is some kind of fictious power fantasy from other country.

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u/colovianfurhelm Russia May 16 '22

It's a former US admiral who tweeted it, and there's no such quote in the linked article. It is purely his "hypothetical" opinion of what would a random Finnish general would say. I also was surprised, because I feel like a Finnish general wouldn't bother with shitposting on Twitter.

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u/Ohdake May 16 '22

It was something (supposedly, to be clear) said in the 1970s by a Finnish General (who died in 2004) who was a veteran of WW II (regimental commander at the time). His character was such that I do not think anyone would have placed that beyond him. It would be almost exactly what you could have expected him to say.

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u/NavalnySupport May 16 '22 edited May 16 '22

Probably because Finns know that the Soviets, not just Russians attacked. Lots of Ukrainian units were sent in because that's where elite Soviet units were stationed. And to top it off the two marshals in charge of the whole war were Ukrainian or had Ukrainian roots.

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u/Ohdake May 16 '22

It is an old quote reportedly stated by General Adolf Ehrnrooth in the 1970s when discussing the presence of Soviet troops in Finland with a British General (or Admiral). So when asked how many Soviet troops there were in Finland Ehrnrooth replied that 200 000. And when prompted as to where exactly he said that they were 2 meters below the ground near the border.

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u/ponakka May 16 '22

So they just made it sound like it is said today. Or did i just think it that way myself? I have heard the original quote, but that did not involve putin.

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u/trancefate May 16 '22

The first time I saw this quote it was posted by a finnish coworker on LinkedIn :/

He didn't attribute it to anyone though, he said it himself.

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u/AkiBismarck May 16 '22

"Karelia is the Graveyard of Ivans"

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u/victory_zero Poland May 16 '22

Uff, that was cold...

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u/BlaReni May 16 '22

Good luck Putin! Finland is economically strong and has some freaking rich neighbours. Imagine all the high tech weapons it would throw at Russian Neanderthal army. What a joke!

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u/Retardobot42 May 16 '22

Time to de-ruzzify europe is here

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u/terrrmon May 16 '22

it's been here for 80 years if you ask me

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u/frfr777 May 16 '22

Go to Finland, become a frozen scarecrow, new life goals for Putin’s little invaders.

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u/pete_blake May 16 '22

Don’t f¥ck with Finland!!!😂

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u/Klefaxidus May 16 '22

That sounds made up but ok

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u/RestaurantDry621 May 16 '22

I wouldn't fuck around with those white walkers

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u/Don_R53 May 16 '22

Simo Häyhä returns once again…

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u/LeonMann May 16 '22

Without hesitation or and doubt I am absolutely sure that if a Russian invasion or Finland would ever occur two things are certain.

  1. Finland would eventually be successful
  2. Russia would absolutely use tactical nuclear weapons..

The only thing in uncertain if is how many people will lose their lives and how long it will take to repel the Russians...

If this war happens in winter the snow will melt under the light of a thousand mature atomic suns.

Fuck this Russian regime it's madness is so incredibly dangerous and the Russian current doctrine of war is unforgiving and brutal.

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u/freestyle43 May 16 '22

No they wouldn't. People think just because Russia threatens nukes constantly that they'll use them. They 100% will not. Its a suicide button. Nobody wants to die.

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u/spoonballoon13 May 16 '22

in my best Finnish accent “As the Americans say, come at me bro”

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u/JustOneAgain May 16 '22

Sorry to spoil this onen with facts but it's not true.

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u/pwn3dbyth3n00b May 16 '22

If the Russians thought taking Mariupol was hard because a single steel plant has an underground bunker/tunnel wait til they find out about every building in Finland having underground bunkers.

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u/Morotstomten May 16 '22

Seems to me that Russians are all about quantity instead of quality, just make enough crappy weapons and throw enough untrained bodies at something and hope it goes their way

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u/Spaceisveryhard May 16 '22

Finland after finding out theres no more russians to kill after Ukraine wins

https://youtu.be/RQPa3y2sQjs

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u/SpaceGenesis World May 16 '22

Savage. Putin and his army would be... finnished.

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u/Misdemeanour2020 Ukraine May 16 '22

SSSSHHHHLLLAPPPPPP!