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Afghanistan quake: Taliban appeal for international aid
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-619002601.1k
u/Pyongyang_Prince 12d ago
What universe is this where the Taliban are requesting international aid to help rebuild Afghanistan.
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u/Abslalom 12d ago
The same in which north Korea is asking regularly for international aid after nukes and shitting on everyone.
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u/fhota1 12d ago
Of the major islamic terror groups, the Taliban is the most open to outsiders by a fair bit. They basically want their little fiefdom in Afghanistan to run by a very strict version of Sharia law but they are totally fine with trading and having diplomacy with the outside world.
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u/CaptainChuxx
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Are earthquakes and natural disasters considered retribution from God in the Muslim faith, similar to Christianity?
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u/rr00069 12d ago
Yes , Bible and the Quran basically say the same stories with a cultural twist
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u/JumpUpNow 12d ago
You just know they'll spin it as punishment for 'the unfaithful' and 'going too easy' on women or some shit to excuse making things even more strict.
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u/CaptainChuxx 12d ago
Sadly yes. They'll never use it to look at their own actions and question whether what they are doing is morally correct.
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u/deadlysyntax 12d ago
The flaw is in thinking that a natural disaster is any kind of divine moral punishment in the first place.
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u/G8kpr 12d ago edited 12d ago
That scumbag on the 700 club said that the New Orleans floods were gods punishment for gays or some shit.
I’m not religious at all. But sometimes I wish there was a heaven and
bellhell, so assholes like him can be sent tobellhell, and stand there like “whaaaa? But I was a good Christian”No you weren’t. You are a horrible horrible person.
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u/BigHotMen 12d ago
But sometimes I wish there was a heaven and bell, so assholes like him can be sent to bell
TIL all evil people have sonophobia and bells are their worst nightmare
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u/Banana_Ram_You 12d ago
Sometimes you just gotta smite random people to keep everyone on their toes. Being a planet/gaia/god is easy like that.
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u/Charming_Amphibian91 12d ago
Or direct every asteroid toward Earth as a "warning"
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u/Tickomatick 12d ago
The disaster is to think anything like divine punishment even exists to begin with
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u/Autumn1881 12d ago
The most infuriating take is always: „The reason religion doesn’t work is we are employing too little religion!“
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u/Hip_Hop_Orangutan 12d ago
...it's a fucking story book. Giving it even a semblance of realty is legit sickening. Just gross
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u/khanzh 12d ago
You're absolutely right. The 2005 quake in Pakistan which killed 75k (I think) was blamed on the "un-islamic" people there by the beards...Fuckers never miss an opportunity to pile on the misery and start their little games.
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u/Akachi_123 12d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boobquake
The Boobquake rally served to protest news reports of controversial beliefs espoused by Hojatoleslam Kazem Seddiqi, an Islamic religious authority in Iran. Seddiqi blamed women who dress immodestly for causing earthquakes.
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u/Ltstarbuck2 12d ago
Oh man I wish if I dressed immodestly there’d be an earthquake. That’d be awesome.
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u/Seskapill 12d ago
Well of course. Religious leaders and people will always interpret things to suit their narratives
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u/Emergency_Version 12d ago
We must rape our women more for god.
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u/cech_ 12d ago
Don't leave out the little boys too!
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u/JacP123 12d ago
In fairness (not that they deserve the fairness), but the Taliban outlawed bacha bazi when they first came to power.
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u/cech_ 12d ago
Yes, and I'm sure its perfectly enforced and people are happy to report it since if they do they will get killer or humiliated badly. Prove me wrong and find how many cases there have been prosecuted. Even if they do prosecute a case I bet it would be just because they wanna take someone down for another reason not the rape itself.
"These complicated power dynamics are one of the reasons why national law has been relatively inconsequential in eradicating Bacha Bazi."
"It is taboo to talk about such incidents because people do not trust the legal system, and because of the shame associated with the practice."
https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/shame-and-silence-bacha-bazi-in-afghanistan/
Its a bullshit law and not worth defending the Taliban over until they actually start enforcing it including on the war lords and upper class.
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u/neatoexpandito 12d ago
Thanks for the link. I wanted to know how in the fuck they could justify this when they are so homophobic.
"Male dominant culture has contributed to the spread of this practice. Homosexuality is forbidden in Islam, but those involved in Bacha Bazi justify their actions by saying that, since they are not in love with these boys, it doesn’t apply."
Poor kids
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u/True_Scallion_7011 12d ago
An increase in earthquakes is one of the signs of the day of judgment in Islam
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u/Cautious-Bench-4809 12d ago
Matthew 24:6-7 "There will be famines and earthquakes in various places" All religions tend to see natural disasters as a punishment or a sign
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u/throwawayhyperbeam 12d ago
Oh everything is the sign of judgment day in every religion
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u/Mootjuh0 12d ago
This one's curious when you look at the middle east for the last 100 years.
"When the shepherds of black camels start boasting and competing with others in the construction of higher buildings."
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u/Cautious-Bench-4809 12d ago
At the time of Muhammad there were already people competing in constructing tall buildings who matched this prophecy.
Ibn Hajar relates in Fath al-Bari that this sign happened around the time of Muhammad’s prophethood:
تقدم في كتاب الإيمان من وجه آخر عن أبي هريرة في سؤال جبريل عن الإيمان قوله في أشراط الساعة ويتطاول الناس في البنيان ، وهي من العلامات التي وقعت عن قرب في زمن النبوة
“It has been related previously in the “Book of Faith” through another chain, from Abu Hurairah regarding Gabriel’s question about faith, his saying (Abu Hurairah’s) regarding the signs of the Hour and the competing in constructing tall buildings: “And this is amongst the signs that happened close to the time of (Muhammad’s) prophethood.””
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u/MetaphoricalKidney 12d ago
Oral History was the first "internet" and judgment day was one of the first "memes".
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u/ShemhazaiX 12d ago
Judgment day is like cancer. No matter what symptoms you google it's always the answer.
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u/Bike_Chain_96 12d ago
Same with Christianity. Particularly when they're happening in abnormal places for them to happen
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u/TacticalDM 12d ago
While people will be people and blah blah blah
There is an anecdote you might be interested in.
After the death of the Prophet Muhammad's son, there was a solar eclipse. The Muslims went to get him to lead the eclipse prayer. They were saying that the eclipse was to commemorate his son's death. After the prayer, he said rather flatly "the sun and the moon do not eclipse for life or for death, they are (simply) two signs among the many signs of God."
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u/Mpek3 12d ago
Natural type disasters are mentioned in the Qur'an as retribution to 'evil' peoples, but is for groups who lived long, long ago and used as an example of rejecting a direct messenger of God.
I'm not aware of anything that says it's an ongoing consequence of displeasing God etc.
The main ethos of Judgement Day religions is you're free to do what you like here, but will have to answer for it over there etc.
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u/Hot-Apple-6661 12d ago
Unsure about the Quran, but nowhere other than specific instances are natural disasters suggested in the Bible to be “retribution” from God. Do idiotic people claiming to be Christians make these kinds of statements about hurricanes and earthquakes etc… unfortunately yes. There’s a ton of misinformation and cherrypicked interpretations that ironically spreads from people who claim to be Christians. And from what I’ve seen, a good amount of these are politically motivated.
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u/dummypod 12d ago
If your are the government and your people like you, then it is a trial.
But if your people don't like you, it's retribution.
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u/FlatTire2005 12d ago
Few Christians in the west at least (and in the modern day) think earthquakes are God’s judgement. I don’t know if Muslims do.
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u/shadow1515 12d ago
Sure but only when they happen to your enemy. Otherwise it's a trial to test your faith or just random or something.
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u/Aj_FromReno 12d ago
No that’s not why events like this are created. The concept of punishment disasters isn’t Islamic. You will see the punishment disaster theory among Christians like the theological reflection after the 1775 Lisbon Earthquake. However, Muslims see events good or bad as tests not punishments or rewards.
You can’t copy and paste arguments used against Christianity onto Islam.
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u/DrKennethNoisewater- 12d ago
Sounds like a good opportunity for the Taliban to acquire more resources that they won’t divvy out.
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u/cujo67 12d ago
My thoughts exactly. Fuckers acquired arms galore, trade it back if they want to appeal so bad.
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u/Jay_CD
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If Saudi Arabia can afford to spaff millions at a golf championship of dubious value to the sport then I'm sure they can afford to divert some money towards helping Afghanistan.
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u/TheKappaOverlord 12d ago
I may be remembering era's wrong. but im pretty sure Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia have a bunch of bad blood between the two.
They were fine when they government was a US puppet, but now... i dont think so
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u/BaaBaaTurtle 12d ago
The Taliban were educated in Pakistan during the Soviet occupation and most of them were Wahabi-derived madrasas.
So at the very least they all have the same religious foundation (not saying that makes them friends but it gives them common ground)
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u/KingoftheHill1987 12d ago
That is true but it does not mean they are close.
The Saudi royal family is an absolutist power hungry family, their goals are clearly global influence and to retain total control of Saudi Arabia without angering global powers.
The Taliban is essentially a militant order of religious fundamentalists. Their goals are the spread of their order from one of the most remote and undeveloped areas of the world.
The Taliban is taking steps to increase religious law, while the Saudi crown prince is taking steps to reduce it.
Other than history, they have literally nothing in common other than both of them hating Iran for being Shia and a distaste for NATO/USA
They dont even follow the same schools of Islam
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u/CurrentRedditAccount 12d ago
As if the Saudi Royal family gives a shit about anything other than their money and power.
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u/ExParrot1337 12d ago
Given that approximately $1.15 of every $1 donated will end up in the pockets of the Taliban, I'm sorry, but you can fuck right off.
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u/gumbii87 12d ago
Sadly this man. I feel for them, but they had their chance at international assistance. 20 years of world wide attention and assistance, and they couldn't break the culture of corruption and violence. Some people can't be helped.
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u/notcreepycreeper 12d ago •
No, to be clear the average person could be helped, and many were.
The Taliban is a different story..
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u/Apokolypse09 12d ago
Theres a vice video from a few years ago with US soldiers trying to train some middle eastern locals, who viewed the whole thing as a game and didn't give a fuck. The local's CO was a confirmed child rapist. The US soldiers tried to get something done about it but their COs didn't give a shit either.
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u/gumbii87 12d ago
It's called "This Is Winning". And it is horrifically accurate. There was shit there that you can really only grasp once you've seen it, and then it doesnt leave. The commonality pedophilia will really fuck with you. It's literally everywhere, on all sides, and treated as of its normal by everyone.
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u/notcreepycreeper 12d ago
Yup. The US spent years and billions trying to train the new Afghan army, which was meanwhile riddled with corruption and filled with the literal dumbest and worst people possible.
It infact turns out that if you decide to step in and nation build from scratch u need to do more than just throw money at the problem.
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u/Person899887 12d ago
The problem is Afghanistan as a nation.
We took a bunch of puzzle pieces, jammed them together haphazardly, and are now shocked that the final puzzle doesn’t look good.
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u/SlashThingy 12d ago
I think I saw that one, or at least a similar one. The Afghan soldiers were incompetent to the point that you have to imagine they have brain damage. There was a guy who found a land mine with a string coming out of it, and he kept asking his CO "Should I just pull the string out?" "No! It will explode!" "But what if I pull the string out?"
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u/gumbii87 12d ago
The Afghan soldiers were incompetent to the point that you have to imagine they have brain damage
It's more complicated than that. Prior to the NATO presence, the only source of education was religious Madras'. The soldiers were learning to read at the same time they were learning marksmanship and squad tactics. It's a nation where half the adult population are a few steps from the "putting the square peg in the round hole" portion of their existence.
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u/Hiei2k7 12d ago
The local's CO was a confirmed child rapist. The US soldiers tried to get something done about it
I will personally approve the line item in the defense budget for "more ammo".
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u/thisisforwhackingoff 12d ago
A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals.
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u/yesgirlsusereddit 12d ago
I am not following the math here...
And donate to doctor's without borders or the red crescent/cross to make sure the money goes to help the needy
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u/ExParrot1337 12d ago
Yes, you absolutely could, and I have. But I'm not giving a cent to any Afghan organisation directly when it's guaranteed to be stolen instead of helping the people who need it.
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u/LayneLowe 12d ago
I'm sure the Muslim nations will kick in and help
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u/clown_pants 12d ago
Surely Saudi Arabia will step up as "leader" of the Muslim world, right? Or maybe ISIS was selling those artifacts to create an emergency fund
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u/WmWzK 12d ago
I mean iran hosts approx 2m+ afghan refugees https://www.unhcr.org/ir/refugees-in-iran/
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u/HelloAvram 12d ago
Muslim nations: noooooo
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u/exForeignLegionnaire 12d ago
Don't you see? Allah is punishing them! All according to (his) plan!
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u/StephenHunterUK 12d ago
If not them, definitely mosques around the world. Charitable giving - zakat - is one of the five pillars of Islam.
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u/OutofAmm0 12d ago
Unironically, Afghanistan's neighboring countries (Pakistan, Iran) and even India are sure to provide humanitarian aid and have been quietly doing so for a year. But it won't be reported because it goes against the narrative.
Gulf oil rich countries have no morals or ethics so I wouldn't expect anything from them. It's not really about Islam once you take a closer look into it.
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u/Harambeisnotdeadyet 12d ago
Iran wont even aid his own people in natural disasters and will 100% cover up number of casualties. They will also prevent other citizens from helping.
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u/DonaldBumpJr 12d ago
Many countries have tried to rid these middle eastern countries of the fascist regimes for over three decades. Spent trillions, and within a day the military these western nations propped up fell and gave way to the Taliban.
I feel bad for the citizens of this country, especially the women, but at what point does the nonsense stop? The Taliban wanted control, they now have it. Instead of gutting the government and implementing archaic laws and practices that impede on the countries ability to flourish, maybe unlock the potential of your country so it can provide a decent place to live.
Give money for aid and the taliban spread it across themselves for personal gain and empower them further, or dont and be considered cold towards the helpless citizens. Theres no winning with them in charge of the countries finances.
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u/boottrax
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Well while many here are bashing on the Taliban for rightful reasons. Here is how you can help the brave worldwide agencies that will actually do something for the people suffering:
https://action.publicgood.com/campaign/92fbc03f-51b9-4b39-a831-aae0b9fde54a
Organizations include: CARE, UNICEF, and others.
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u/Cantosphile 12d ago
This should be top comment.
I'm as cynical as anyone when it comes to the taliban, but people are still suffering who really don't deserve it.444
u/SensitiveGrape9034 12d ago
People are concerned that the donations won’t make it to the people who need it.
It’s not that they don’t want to give them money.
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u/EventualThrowaway1 12d ago
The key is to help the people who suffer. Donate to good charities with a proven track record of actually getting aid to the right people. A little research goes a long way for this.
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u/observationallurker 12d ago
The aid will still end up in Taliban hands when it gets on the ground. Those organizations aren't armed.
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u/ElGosso 12d ago
The Taliban actually stopped people in their organization from taking aid during the famine earlier this year.
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u/Regular_Case7227 12d ago
But will the Taliban openly welcome these organizations into their country so it’s guaranteed those in need will get relief? That’s one of my only reservations as far as sending foreign aid. And say they let them in, will the Taliban willingly let them out of the country?
It’s a double edged sword.
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u/MoistSpongeCake 12d ago
Taliban are medieval caricatures with modern weapons and zero governing experience. Poor Afghani people, nobody deserves to deal with that kind of shit.
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u/LTVOLT 12d ago
The Taliban hates the west.. except when it comes to getting generous aid and money
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u/ThrowawayTest1233 12d ago
It's how politics are conducted. They wanna take over the country? Time to start playing geopolitics and trading favours and aid and whatnot.
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u/mng8ng 12d ago
Taliban: Death to America! Death to the West!
Also Taliban: can we have international aid please
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u/Rink1143 12d ago
This is what Mullah across Islamic world do. Time and tested tactics since the days of the one who must not be named.
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u/SOSOBOSO 12d ago
Maybe if they send their girls to school some of them will study earthquake resistant building codes and this shit won't happen so much.
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u/Zarxon 12d ago
Sorry I don’t want to support a fundamentalist anti democratic state. The money sent won’t end up rebuilding it will end up in the pockets of the Taliban.
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u/my2cents3462 12d ago
Fuck the Taliban.
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Dear infidels,
We have an emergency and we need your technology, skills and education, medicine, and any other aid you think would be useful right now.
We might accidentally decapitate a few of you while you’re here volunteering to help our people, but just don’t blow it out of proportion.
These things happen.
I’m mean, we’re not Al-Qaeda, amirite?
Those guys really suck.Signed, The Taliban.
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u/HaddockBranzini-II 12d ago
Tragic situation, because fuck the Taliban. But the Afghani people need a fucking break.
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u/onaredditpost 12d ago
International aid from who? Countries they want to kill?
They can go figure that shit out, thats your “Allah” shitting on yall.
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u/Shoulder_tattoo 12d ago
If America sends even $1 of my tax dollars to the Taliban I swear to god I’m not paying taxes
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u/ImprovizoR 12d ago
The Taliban don't want international aid in order to help their countrymen. They habitually murder their countrymen for dumb as shit reasons. They're just using the earthquake as an excuse to ask for money. They're not going to do anything useful with it.
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u/Trav3lingman 12d ago
Oh yes let's give a hardcore terrorist state money! Fuck that. Might as well just send them IEDs and suicide vests and save some time.
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Honestly this is one of those times where you wish coalition forces were still there as these people would be getting the help they need.
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u/LeadDontFollow
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How about you let all girls go back to school and get an education and then you’ll get international aid.
Seems like a fair deal
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u/TheStoolSampler 12d ago
That's not a fair deal. They'll keep the aid and back track on the very mild request for women's rights to education.
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u/zippazappazinga 12d ago
Jeez, I just feel so bad for the people over there, I mean their government is literally the fucking Taliban.
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u/oph4x 12d ago
Everyone needs to know that while the west may have pulled out in a astronomically bad way, the Taliban was dumping mags into crowds of people trying to get to the airport and murdering people left and right like total psychopaths and capped the entire thing off with an intentional suicide bombing that shut everything down.
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u/Massena777 12d ago
No matter what you give it will go straight to the top. Give medical supplies and it gets put in Taliban "army" stockpiles or sold on the black market to be used to fund weapons. Give food and it goes to the Taliban ruling class and maybe to the average Taliban soldier. Give money and it gets turned into weapons. Give materials and they get turned into facilities for the Taliban.
If the Taliban wants aid they can sell off their captured US/Afghan miltiary assets and use that money to buy supplies for the people. But there is no way they will do that.
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u/Sendstorepatter 12d ago
Maybe they should have thought of that before they banned women from all sort of public life and started with forced and oppressive dress codes.
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u/No-Seaworthiness7013 12d ago
Or public executions, or rebooting the racial genocides of minorities, etc.
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u/rachel_tenshun 12d ago
After pledging they weren't going to do any of that nonsense.
Obviously, no one expected them to keep their word, but still. Maybe their god is having second thoughts.
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u/No-Seaworthiness7013 12d ago
They detonated a bomb at a school for girls killing children. Pakistan should eat a fuck ton of sanctions for granting these animals sanctuary for 20 years.
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u/DamnItsDirtyDan 12d ago
The taliban deserve jack shit. They won’t help women or anybody they don’t like.
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Fine, provided it is exclusively and entirely distributed by women.
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u/frostmorefrost 12d ago
didnt the taliban hate the west and calls for the destruction of the western infidels??
so i reckon a no since they (taliban) seems to have god on their side,they can go ask god for help.
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u/autotldr BOT 12d ago
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 85%. (I'm a bot)
"International relief agencies are helping, neighbouring countries, regional countries, and world countries have offered their assistance which we appreciate and welcome."The assistance needs to be scaled up to a very large extent because this is a devastating earthquake which hasn't been experienced in decades.
"We didn't have enough people and facilities before the earthquake, and now the earthquake has ruined the little we had," they said.
Over the past decade more than 7,000 people have been killed in earthquakes in the country, the UN's Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs reports.
Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: earthquake#1 country#2 people#3 Afghanistan#4 fault#5
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u/Telegraphonics 12d ago
Ah yes, here is the part where guns and ammunition are considered "international aid"
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u/Mygreaseisyourgrease 12d ago
Sending thoughts and prayers on the next available flight to Kabul.
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u/Bears_R_awsum 12d ago
It would be fitna to provide infidel support to peaceful people. We would never dare to sully the purity of peaceful folks with our impure goods.
Let your brophet provide you with snackbars!!
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u/SupaFlyslammajammazz 11d ago
How much of the aid would actually make it to the families in need and how much would go into the corruption of the Taliban?
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u/Robdotcom-71 12d ago
I'll do my bit and send empty thoughts and prayers.
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u/Intelligent-Ad-4140 12d ago
You fool, that's not going to do anything.
I am sending my good vibes which is better than your thoughts and prayers pfft
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u/fireonavan 12d ago
Internacional aid must be managed by Afghan woman or they get nothing
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u/MrFiendish 12d ago
I feel like God is really trying to finish off that country, but just can’t stick the landing.
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u/-GameWarden- 12d ago
It’s insane to watch them ask for aid while mobilizing thousands of troops to fight Hamza and his break away fighters.
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u/FreeTapir 11d ago
Maybe if they give their people basic freedom of religion they can get basic aid from other nations. No I don’t want to help a country that would force their religion on me if they had the chance!
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u/Kat-Shaw 11d ago
Surely this is God's punishment to the taliban!
Oh no wait extremists don't practice what they preach.
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u/Barry_McKackiner 12d ago
should send nothing but women rescue teams and aid workers as an extra "fuck-you" to the taliban while helping the innocent people there.
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u/DeanCorso11 12d ago
All the American weapons and vehicles can be sold for money. There, international aid solved. Fuck those people.
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u/Y57sh2isN7R3TTqgrJ7 12d ago
Why hasn’t the UAE with their vast resources sent aid to their ‘brothers’? Instead of begging help from the infidels, who they hate.
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u/Solidux 12d ago
Yea hmm. this is tough. For every $1 donated, $0.95 will go towards the taliban pockets.
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u/77saviour 12d ago
You really drew the short straw on life being born in Afghanistan. We don’t appreciate how lucky we are to live in a place that’s not run by terrorists and with buildings that are earthquake proof